Saga Rate the Star Wars films, TPM to TFA

1 TPM 5/5
2 ROTS 5/5
3 ESB 4/5
4 AOTC 4/5
5 ANH 3/5
6 ROTJ 3/5
7 TCW (movie) 2.5/5

8 TFA 2/5
9 original Holiday Special 0.5/5

haven't yet been able to even finish the first of the Ewok movies.

 

1. TESB
2. ANH
3. ROTJ
4. TFA
5. ROTS
6. TPM
7. AOTC

 

Okay....

1. Actually, the Holiday Special came out around Thanksgiving, not Christmas.
2. Hasn't it been proven that several things from TFA came from Lucas himself?
3. Yes, two corporate cashgrabs that Lucas helped create
4. How so?
5. No, it really isn't
6. Lucas has gone on record and said that he would destroy every copy of the Holiday Special if he could. I'm pretty sure he hasn't said anything nearly as harsh towards TFA.

 

So, is everyone going to be ranking Rogue One and the other standalone films with the Saga movies? Or will you be ranking them separately since they're going to be deviating from a lot of the Saga's stylistic conventions?

 

The TFA Jedi purge was Lucas'. According to Pablo Hidalgo at least. So I expect people to say that unless Lucas says he came up with the TFA Jedi Purge they aren't going to take Disney's or Lucasfilm's word for it.

I'll be doing Original Lucas movies 1-6, TPM-ROTJ plus the Disney ST plus whatever Saga sequels they do after that, the spinoffs by themselves, and all of the movies together.

 

Except you are wrong.
Luke did NOT have YEARS of training in the OT.
IN ANH he had one lesson with Obi-Wan and then at the start of ESB he manages to pull things towards him using the Force. This from just ONE lesson. And did Luke know that this power existed?
Not established.
Then Luke trains with Yoda for what, a couple of weeks, maybe 1-2 months, and that is all the training he needs to become a Jedi. Between ESB and RotJ how much time pass? A few months at most and now Luke is almost a Jedi Knight.

So the OT has Luke pick up things very quickly and compared with the PT, who says it takes at least a decade or maybe two to become a Jedi knight, Luke manages it in less than a year.

As for not explaining.

In TPM, the Jedi mention the prophecy and "bring balance to the Force". What does that mean, who made this prophecy, why is it different from the normal Jedi ability to see the future?
Not answered.

In AotC a mystery is set up about the Clone army and Sifo-Dyas, was he involved or not?
The Jedi don't know but then the films totally ignores this plot point and it is left unresolved.

Why do the Sith want revenge, what are the demands of the seps, these and other questions are raised and then not really answered.

Bye for now.
Blackboard Monitor

 

I don't believe a word out of that sentence.

 

And so it begin's.

 

Truthfully, I don't think that even George Lucas, with all of his narrative missteps, would have been stupid enough to do this again right after the film named RETURN of the Jedi.

 

1. Fair enough. I've always heard it was christmas
2. LOL no, no it hasn't. The only proof we have is that Abrams and Kasdan threw out Lucas' ideas to make their rippoff fanfilm
3. Lucas had nothing to do with either of those.
4. Because the big three went through major character development in the OT, they are very different people from the beginning of ANH to the end of ROTJ. TFA removes all the character development from them, putting Han and Leia back to their ANH personas and making Luke a coward. Utter character destruction.
5. Yes, it REALLY is!
6. That's because he can't, he doesn't own it. But as far as comments about TFA, ahem "white slavers".

Whoops, it seems that you're confused between "using an advanced skill in a power you have never heard of" and "using a mild skill in a power you've been practicing for a year".
Luke get's a little bit of direct training from Obi-wan, which teaches him to feel the Force and trust his feelings. Rey had never heard of the Force.
A YEAR later, Luke uses a mild technique of pulling a lightsaber to him with GREAT difficulty. Rey does this in a second without knowing that ability is even possible, a few hours after having heard about the Force
FOUR YEARS LATER, after spending several months getting one on one training from the greatest Jedi of the age, and doing a lot practicing on his own, Luke is able to use an advanced Force technique. Rey uses the same technique a few hours after hearing about the Force for the first time, and knowing nothing about what it can do.

Please stop confusing "less training than the prequels" with "absolutely no training, no knowledge, and no reference".
TFA is an insult to our intelligence.

 

You still claimed that it required YEARS of training, I proved you wrong, get over it.
Luke had one lesson with Obi-Wan, one which didn't involve Force pull.
Then he trained with Yoda for a few weeks, maybe 1-2 months at most.
Total time, far less than a year.

Also you seem to have the time line confused, ESB is three years after ANH, not one.
The amount of time between ESB and RotJ is unclear but given that Chewie and Lando were leaving at the end of ESB and Luke said he would meet them on Tatooine, it doesn't seem that a lot of time has passed. A few weeks, 1-2 months on the outside.
That Luke trained on his own between ESB and RotJ is implied but no such implication exists for between ANH and ESB.
I would say that the film implies against it. During ESB, Palpatine contacts Vader and warns him about Luke and that he is getting stronger. This seemed a new thing. So it is unlikely that Luke did any training between ANH and ESB.

You talk about "Advanced" techniques, is pulling things with the Force advanced?
I would think not, Luke does in ESB without even knowing it can be done. He stuggles a bit yes and later with Yoda he is able to do much more. So moving things with the Force seems like a basic technique, one of the first things a Jedi learns.

That Rey grabbed the lightsabre, the film implies that more is at work here than just her.
That lightsabre reached out to her. How, why, not explained as yet.

Is the mind trick advanced?
The films doesn't say and Rey is able to do it, but like Luke, she struggles a bit at first.

Bye.
Old Stoneface

 

Oh, man. They're really going to just beat us over the head with the references to Arthurian legend, I just know it.

As for your response, I agree to a point. The thing with Force pull is that one would think that Rey yanking the lightsaber out of Ben's grip would be complete crap, but he was severely wounded. That pretty much has to be taken into account. What I thought was kind of stupid was her ability to counter Ben's psychic advances. I mean, that would have been a good opportunity to show the potency of his ability to ravage the minds of others using the Force for information and hint at Rey's Force sensitivity through a painful, but strong display of willpower that results in him getting nowhere. Making him completely botch the interrogation just eliminates any sense of danger surrounding his skills altogether which doesn't really make him all that formidable. When he's pushing 30 and was trained by Luke himself (who knows what knowledge Luke might have found in the past 3 decades), you'd expect him to be somewhat competent at something...anything involving the Force. Unless he's like Haazen from KotOR or something which would be an odd decision considering the whole "the Force is strong in my family" schtick.

By the way, I can see telekinesis as an ability one might be able to get through instinct but the ability to manipulate the minds of others just seems like something far more advanced and too powerful of an ability to be gained instinctually by someone who is (psychologically speaking) a novice at this point. It seems like they just did it for a cheap laugh and having Rey escape without having the other characters do it. Seeing her utilize resourcefulness she's acquired from being on Jakku to escape would have been far more interesting and endearing to her character.

That's just my opinion though.

 

So, here's my list:

1. TESB
2. ROTJ
3. ANH
4. ROTS=TFA
5. TPM
6.AOTC

Yes, I'm putting both ROTS and TFA in the same place. I had this listing a while ago and it hasn't changed since.

 

Were you referring to me with this? I was simply responding to Samuel's post regarding his interpretation of events in the film. I wasn't saying he had poor taste or liked a movie that "appealed to his supposed lack of intelligence".

 

Ah. I see.

 

My latest:

SW 10
TESB 10
TFA 9
ROTJ 7
TPM 6.5
AOTC = ROTS 5

 

Extra! Extra! All the latest:

1. Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope (10)
2. Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (9.5)
3. Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (9)
4. Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (9)
5. Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (8)
6. Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (7)
7. TFA (5)

 

The Phantom Menace 3/10
Attack of the Clones 3/10
Revenge of the Sith 5/10
A New Hope 9/10
Empire Strikes Back 10/10
Return of the Jedi 7/10