PT Really confused about the GAR

TheMadHatter · Mar 30, 2013

ahh Canon debates how fun.

ILNP · Apr 1, 2013

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From the film, a jedi named Syfo ordered the army for the republic even though he didn't have the authority. Jango never met a man named Syfo, instead he met a man named Tyrannus who recruited him. At the end of the film it is revealed that Dooku is Darth Tyrannus. From this it is pretty clear, Dooku used Syfo's name to order the clone army (probably murdered him), then erase Kamino from the Jedi records before he left the order. I don't think Syfo had anything to do with the clone army other than the Sith using his name as a cover.
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No offense but you're making an assumption that is pretty unclear.
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I consider it the most logical assumption concerning all the factors presented in the film. At the end of the day, such was always my take as well. And I’ve never regarded EU to be cannon with the films—simple as that.

Now, as for any suspicions of the Clone Army, or lack thereof, I’ve always inferred that minor portions of the Senate were in fact leery of such convenient readiness, particularly those members who, in between trilogies, would conspire to form the Rebel Alliance. This I conclude both from the OT in retrospect and from Padme’s semi-confessional ties with said members when proposing to Anakin that, "we may be on the wrong side."

The Jedi Council were even more suspicious, but the genius of Palpatine’s scheme is that they literally could not do anything about it. If the Jedi were to go before the Senate and propose an official investigation into the origin of the clones, the trail would only lead back to one of their own, Syfo Dias, thus putting them in the hot seat. Nor could they make any case that their business with the Kaminoans was falsified, as explained in Episode II when Yoda and Mace Windu agree that informing the Senate would only further expose the weaknesses of the Jedi Order. The Jedi also could not outright refuse to aid, or be aided by, the Clone Army because they were still under authority of the Senate, in service to the Republic—you’re classic 'rock and a hard place' scenario. It’s actually very clever writing on Lucas’ part.
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You're assuming that because Dooku hired Jango that he ordered the Army. This is never stated in the film therefore it's an assumption. Assumptions by their very nature are unclear. If you knew something to be true you wouldn't say you assume. Now I don't begrudge you your opinion (especially on something that is never fully stated in the movie or even the EU) just that saying it's pretty clear Dooku did B because he did A is false, in my opinion.

On an aside, I never understood this distaste (for lack of a better word) for the EU when it comes to wanting answers to questions from the films. If the movie doesn't tell you one way or the other and a book addresses said issue and answers it, why not accept that answer?

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PT Really confused about the GAR

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