Full Series Rebels 3.21-3.22 - Zero Hour (Season Finale!!) - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

I think part of the reason why some are not too thrilled with season 3 of rebels or the ending, I think has more to do with the pacing and timing of each individual episode of the story. Star Wars being told in 22 minutes is just.....well not enough. Is Rebels a great addition to the new canon? Yes, from a certain point of view. Can it be erased or eliminated and just accept the movies, comic books and novels like the old eu? Nope, it cannot. Does Rebels with its confined animation, time frame and story telling period not be considered important star wars work? Nope, we are stuck, because Filoni worked with GL and knows everything about star wars and Disney well, wanted everything under one canon. Disney and probably Lucasfilm all together.

Rebels has introduced stuff that I think are just as controversial as some of the stuff from the old EU. I'm not going to name them, but back in the day people here bashed the micro clone war series because of its outrageousness and yet, here, we have had Kanan, a two bit loser, be able to stop Ezra from falling as he trained him in the force. Remember when Ezra fell overboard? Think of the rate of speed of Ezra falling and Kanan just stops his fall and then gets him to rise. He struggled, but still. In the Geonosis episode in January, he made a super long and high leap from one end to the other. Okay, that was werid. Rebels suffers some of the same things that some of the old eu suffered from.

Thrawn is still good. There is nothing in season 3 that makes me think that thrawn was any different than the eu books, and me, I am looking forward to the new thrawn book. In Rebels he won. he found the base and damaged the rebels badly. So the main characters lived, they lived in the thrawn trilogy despite him being a bad ass, and he died again when he almost woke up as a clone. so to me there is no different there.

 

Except that Thrawn is drool worthy in Season 3.

 

I wonder if we will see him physically training in the book, the way he trains himself in season 3 (can't we have our fangirl fanservice moment? )

 

Exactly! Minerva is a lucky woman!

 

Which concept art? Rogue One or Rebels? I did see the concept art at the Rebels episode guide. But quite frankly the Rebels version fell short of being as imposing looking as they were in Rogue One in my opinion.

 

That was a great line, the crew behind Rebels is very aware of what fans have been talking about. They haven't been subtle about it since before Double Agent Droid.

 

Yeah, I think the beginning of the episode with the discussion between Kanan and Ezra was a signal of sorts that Kanan is pretty much entering the final arc of his story.

 

I don't think so.

"There's a future for us. One where we're all free."

I have no doubt now that Jedi Knight Kanan Jarrus and his Padawan Ezra Bridger will live to see the Empire fall and the Sith destroyed.

 

but Kanan won't see anything

 

Ezra can be his seeing-eye Padawan.

 

Mmmmmmmm, I think you got to see Kanan going all in with the Rebellion. At the beginning of season 2, he did not want to be in another war. But by the end of season 3, he has to defend hi position on fighting with the Rebellion to Bendu.

But with the Ghost crew at Yavin ...... they are bumping right up next to ANH. For example, even if their role ends at Scarif, Luke is going to find out that there used to be a couple Jedi at Yavin .... unless they go completely crazy and have them overlap and Luke actually meets Kanan and Ezra. All we know for sure is that Luke is the last Jedi by RotJ. And we don't see them in TESB. Whatever, happens, Phoenix squadron is going to be much less prominent at Yavin which is the much larger part of the Rebellion.

I suppose if the Ghost went down at Scarif and they were all stuck on a deserted island somewhere, that would be a reason for them to not be at the Battle of Yavin --- worse yet, what if they're captured by the Imperials? Season 5 could be interesting .....

 

After that part happend I essentially did a double take and asked "Wait, did she just call him "love"?"

It was a nice little character moment and pretty much confirms they are more than just friends (unless it was meant as an purely affectionate thing).

 

Mmmmmmmm, I think you got to see Kanan going all in with the Rebellion. At the beginning of season 2, he did not want to be in another war. But by the end of season 3, he has to defend his position on fighting with the Rebellion to Bendu.

But with the Ghost crew at Yavin ...... they are bumping right up next to ANH. For example, even if their role ends at Scarif, Luke is going to find out that there used to be a couple Jedi at Yavin .... unless they go completely crazy and have them overlap and Luke actually meets Kanan and Ezra. All we know for sure is that Luke is the last Jedi by RotJ. And we don't see them in TESB. Whatever, happens, Phoenix squadron is going to be much less prominent at Yavin which is the much larger part of the Rebellion.

I suppose if the Ghost went down at Scarif and they were all stuck on a deserted island somewhere, that would be a reason for them to not be at the Battle of Yavin --- worse yet, what if they're captured by the Imperials? Season 5 could be interesting .....

 

Honestly? I think the Ghost Crew not only survives Scarif, but they might be at Yavin when the Death Star shows up. We know Ezra can fly a Y-Wing. Maybe he was flying the one Y-Wing that makes it back from the attack.

 

How kind of Disney XD UK to finally get around to airing the s3 finale. It's only been a whole month since episode 20.

Trying to avoid spoilers for that long sucks!

A good article on this problem https://futureoftheforce.com/finally-its-zero-hour-for-star-wars-rebels-in-the-uk-301280cec2d7

 

The best moment in these two-part episodes was by far the Ezra and Kanan moment at the very beginning. Their conversation was so touching, and it was great to see how much those two appreciate and care about each other. Ezra has really grown to respect his mentor and Kanan’s judgement. I also like that Ezra doesn’t respect Kanan just because he’s a Jedi, but because Kanan is his role model for being a good person. We also learn from this conversation that being a good person is more important to Ezra than being a Jedi (which should go hand-in-hand, but unfortunately, isn’t always the case). The only sad thing about it was when Hera so heartlessly interrupted the conversation.

I liked when Hera sounded really scared when Kanan got trapped outside the shield; it was a nice touch to hear her genuinely freaked out that Kanan could’ve been killed. I almost wish he hadn’t been downed on his speeder (although he kind of had to, because it was practically raining laser bolts) because the sadistic side of me thinks it would have been funny to see him impact on that shield around Chopper Base on his speeder…since Hera forgot to tell him about it, and he can’t see.

Thrawn's plan to stop bombarding the shield deflector was silly. He should’ve stopped as soon as the shield was down, not before. I guess that would be because Tarkin wanted the rebels alive or something, but why would Tarkin order that? In the books, it seemed like Thrawn led operations that used resources and his men efficiently, with minimum damage and casualties. Letting the rebels have the upper hand with the shield so they could easily slaughter the invading Imperials seemed like a very poor use of resources, not at all like the Thrawn we get in the books.

I think Mart should have been mentioned in this episode. Actually, Iron Squadron seems pointless since they haven’t brought those kids back since the first and only episode they were in. When Sato died, there should have been more of a reaction. As is, it was sad to lose Sato, especially since he was the only family Mart had, but I’m glad that they killed him off to raise the tensions a little (even if it’s still not much). Personally, I think they should have used an episode or two in season 3 to develop the relationship between Ezra and Sato, since I feel like that would’ve made his death more meaningful and impactful.

Also, I’m glad that Konstantine is finally dead. Vader should have killed him way back in Siege of Lothal.

I didn’t like the Bendu turning into some sort of angry storm. For being one in the middle, he was quick to get riled up and take a side. I think it would have been more consistent with his character to just stay out of the fight.

I liked how the episode pretty much began with Kanan and Ezra (after a short prologue with the Imperials), and ended with them, since those two characters and the bond between them is the best part of the show, in my opinion.

 

Kanan comes across as rather entitled and presumptuous when he asks Bendu for help.

"Can you feel it? My friends are dying."

"Help us survive Bendu. Help us fight!"

"So you're just going to let us die?"

"You'd rather hide. Like a coward."

Bendu doesn't owe the Rebels or Kanan anything. If anything, Kanan owes him for the various bits of advice and counsel he's given him. Instead, all Kanan does is demand assistance and when he's refused, proceeds to insult Bendu. Very mature for a Jedi Knight.

 

That's probably why Bendu proceeds to shoot plasma at anything that moves. It may have been Kanan's intent to provoke him as the Rebels had for all intents and purposes already lost the battle and needed to buy time for Ezra to return with friendlier reinforcements. Bendu did end up helping the Rebels survive in the end, even if his intent was not to aid one side or the other.

 

Interesting. I don't think I like Kanan deliberately trying to goad Bendu into fighting. That isn't the Jedi Way. Especially since it led to his death. But I suppose the majority of the blame can be placed on Bendu himself. His volatile temper caused him to lash out with violence. A calm individual would have just turned their back on Kanan and walked away.

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Thrawn killed a Force God, he definitely deserved another medal for that one.

 

Technically, Thrawn's AT-AT's and Death Troopers killed Bendu. If anyone deserves a medal, it's the crews and soldiers, not their commander.

 

I didn't think Bendu died.

...But if he did, surely he'd just come back as Peter Davison.