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Rebels Episode Rebels 4.03-4.04 - In the Name of the Rebellion - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV' started by Todd the Jedi , Oct 20, 2017.

  1. Sandtrooper956

    Sandtrooper956 Jedi Master star 4

    Feb 15, 2015
    I really enjoyed this episode! After finally getting to watch it on Xfinity on Demand (Disney Now and YouTubeTV still haven't fixed their problem).

    I really liked all the action in this episode and actually getting to see the whole crew together for once! In season 3 it always felt like someone was left out or the main characters would go off and do their own stuff, so the reunion was nice. I also liked all the Rogue One references including the Krennic mention. I was surprised we saw two named Imperials killed off, and I liked seeing that the Empire had women as troopers, it's about time Filoni. Overall a good episode and really felt like something you would've seen back in season 1 when the whole crew was the focus.
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  2. R.D.

    R.D. Jedi Knight star 2

    Nov 26, 2015
    One cropped up in Force Awakens, remember.
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  3. MandoArtist

    MandoArtist Jedi Master star 4

    Nov 12, 2015
    I was thinking more the Galactic Empire-era.
  4. Vana

    Vana Jedi Master star 4

    Apr 25, 2005
    The episode was better than the previous ones of the season, but the end was really disappointing. I wish they could STOP doing that, it becomes ridiculous:

    Do they really have to destroy a Star Destroyer at EVERY episode? seriously? they don't even care anymore, like if it was a casual thing to kill more than 35 000 people in a blow and the destroyer with it.These Star Destroyers get blown way too easily and too regularly, and the Empire doesn't even seem to care. The battle of Scariff was supposed to be the first "real victory" of the rebellion, but the heroes of Rebels destroyed more Star Destroyers during their missions than what was destroyed at Scariff! Now it becomes a routine, and that's ridiculous.
  5. masterskywalker

    masterskywalker Jedi Grand Master star 5

    Nov 2, 2001
    The "real" victory was destroying Scarif and stealing the plans, the destroyers were just a bonus.
  6. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 10 Staff Member Manager

    Mar 4, 2011
    Thoroughly enjoyed this, some of the best Rebels episodes yet.

    Nice to see various Rebel cells come together to form the beginnings of the Alliance, and on Yavin 4.

    I appreciated the dispute between Saw Guerrera’s band and the Alliance establishment that said, “We can’t behave in the way which you are suggesting.” I can see both sides.

    Nice lead-ups to Rogue One, including the reference to Krennic and the fact that the Alliance knows that the Empire is collecting kyber crystals.

    These episodes had some good lines:

    “Pretend you’re still prisoners.”
    “We are still prisoners!”

    “Can you get us in?”
    “That’s why I’m here isn’t it?”

    “These two can’t go anywhere without blowing something up.”

    I thought that Ezra and Sabine were going to join Saw while Hera and Kanan remained with the more mainstream Alliance, but the ending seems to indicate that I’m wrong.

    JEDI-RISING Force Ghost star 6

    Apr 15, 2005
    Wedge's age is totally out of sync with the OT

    it looks like i wasn't the only one put off by a star destroyer being destroyed
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  8. Gahmah Raan

    Gahmah Raan Jedi Knight star 2

    Feb 2, 2015
    Not that I disliked the previous two-parter, but now this felt like a proper beginning to the season.

    It's good that we're exploring the same complications with the Rebellion that were brought up in Rogue One. It's understandable that the main Rebellion wouldn't want Partisan intel, because Saw Gerrera most likely went Jack Bauer on some Imperials to get it (and besides the moral implications, as real life shows, that rarely gets accurate results). And it makes sense how Ezra or Sabine would be partially swayed by Saw's points since they are some of the younger rebels, and politics doesn't generally excite teenagers. Also, a good touch to see how Hera feels about the barrier between personal feelings and professional behavior.

    And Sabine's comment about "not wanting to become abstract art" was kinda funny.

    And good to see they didn't go soft on the body count when it came to Saw. And they killed off Brom Titus.

    Other details: They finally brought in Lambda-class shuttles, and we get to hear a Death Trooper speak clearly (although, I prefer the garbled speech; it makes them sound more menacing), and I didn't learn that Death Trooper commander was a woman until later. And among the other prisoners, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is the first male Theelin we've seen in any work the Star Wars universe. And nitpick, they forgot to give the Ithorian a translator despite it being established they need them to speak Basic (but that's down to recycling models and he's a very minor character).

    Although, I am slightly disappointed we didn't get to see more of Benthic beyond just being the pilot. Maybe during the second half of the season (and maybe we see how Saw lost his legs and the effects of Geonosian pesticide taking effect).
  9. Guidman

    Guidman Host, PT Book Club star 4

    Dec 29, 2016
    Really enjoyed the episodes, especially the first part. I liked the philosophical debate going on in the Rebellion and how there were a lot of touches to Rogue One. Hope we get to see to see much more of Saw vs. Mon Mothma.
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  10. Darth Droid

    Darth Droid Jedi Knight star 2

    Jul 4, 2013
    Loved it. Awesome episode, hoping this isn't the last we've seen of Saw.
  11. Darthur C. Clarke

    Darthur C. Clarke Jedi Padawan star 1

    Jul 8, 2016
    Watching this scene, I thought we were about to see Exar Kun or something about him pop into screen. I still kind of think this scene was purposely baiting all the old school fans who might think this...especially as Ezra has many similarities with Kyp Durron...
  12. Meeko Ghintee

    Meeko Ghintee Jedi Knight star 2

    Mar 6, 2015
    Now this is the kinda episode I like. Characters acting rationally from their own diverse and interesting points of view. A focus on the Rebellion and how it should be fought. Saw actually being a little more consistently morally grey this time. Only downside is Zeb gets the shaft again.

    I like the "don't wanna be abstract art" line. I know some people think all these victories diminish Scariff, but I still think its more "Boston Tea Party" level stuff than "Lexington and Concord." Its guerrilla smash and grab kinda stuff, not pitting armies against each other to achieve an objective.
  13. Darth_Accipiter

    Darth_Accipiter Jedi Master star 4

    Feb 2, 2015
    The Alliance might not be able to achieve a significant victory but that doesnt mean Saw can't.
  14. AV-6R7

    AV-6R7 Jedi Knight star 1

    Dec 9, 2014
    The Disney XD app is still freaking out and locking me out of part 2.
  15. bdh1138

    bdh1138 Jedi Knight star 2

    Feb 24, 2015
    A fitting tribute to Titus that the slide about his ignominious career features Slavin's picture instead of his own[​IMG]
  16. DavrelKex

    DavrelKex Jedi Padawan star 1

    Aug 18, 2016

    + Ezra and Kanan meditating. I love Jedi and the Force when they're more mystic. Great scene.
    + Saw was a great character in this one, Rebels has made me far more interested in him than Rogue One did.

    +/- Death Troopers! And...another instance of what are supposed to be elite warriors/soldiers being no more than cinematic cannon fodder.
    - Another Star Destroyer blown up? Doesn't usually bother me but they JUST blew one up in the premiere. I know that would be attributed to Mandalore in-universe and this would be attributed to Saw's Partisans, but from the audience's perspective it's really killing the menace of a Star Destroyer.

    And btw, yes Death Troopers are supposed to be Elites.

    Straight from the official databank - "The elite soldiers of Imperial Intelligence, death troopers are encased in specialized stormtrooper armor with a dark, ominous gleam. These soldiers serve as bodyguards and enforcers for Director Krennic, a highly placed officer within the Advanced Weapons Research division of the Empire."
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  17. La Calavera

    La Calavera Jedi Grand Master star 4

    Sep 2, 2015
    The first part was pretty great. Easily 9/10 for me.
    - Everything at Yavin was excellent, especially the Saw/Mothma scene
    - Hot Kallus is even hotter now
    - Really good characterization of Hera here
    - Okay, I really liked how they used Kanan as Hera’s eyes. Really fun teamwork scene.
    - Also good teamwork between Sabine and Ezra
    - I knew Ezra was going to do something stupid (he always does) but at least this time I laughed with the joke
    - I thought the action in the moving satellite was quite fun and exciting. And it was something new. I’m always on board when the creative team does something different.
    - Saw saving the day was cool and there was a level of suspense at the end when he took the kids
    The second part…not so great. Uh…maybe 5/10.
    - It started good, and I loved the colors and the camera work in this episode.
    - Saw and Two-Tubes were the standouts.
    - Everything with the prisoners was boring, repetitive and unneeded. I was hoping they would show us something different, like the part of them ejecting the pods while in hyperspace felt like it was going to give some dramatic weight to this mission, a feeling of consequences, but nope. Of course the Ghost characters saved them all. As they always do.
    - Chopper used to be one of my favorite characters, but now he tends to annoy me far too often. I’m just tired of his predictable antics. Still liked that he was the only one disagreeing with going with Saw, almost as if he was the only adult there.
    - Underwhelming Death Troopers.
    - As soon as I saw the Kyber crystal I knew they were going to do the same exact thing as they did in TCW.
    - Yet another Star Destroyer destroyed. To add salt to the injury, they had the Ghost crew responding to it like it was routine, kiddy stuff. Like every other episode, I guess.

    So I guess this rounds up to 7/10, but wow, what a downgrade from the first part to the second part.
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  18. episodenone

    episodenone Jedi Grand Master star 4

    Jun 13, 2001
    I honestly felt like this could have had another 30 minutes and been a movie. Sure, I had issues with it - you have all done a great job pointing out some flaws in the episode and I agree with most of them.

    That said - I felt like my mind was blown away with all the inter connectivity.

    I'm not sure how I feel about Kanan being so out in the open -- even in front of the Rebellion. He is well aware of the Purge and there are sure to be Imperial Spies -- not to mention Ezra and him use the Lightsabers so often -- Vader should be hunting them down every moment. Even if Sidious were to think the Jedi were so close to complete extinction that it wasn't worth the effort -- all these victories should piss him off thoroughly enough as he hates the Jedi so much.

    I do not like the fact that they blow up Star Destroyers and Giant Communications arrays -- even like it less that they blow up an enormous Kyber Crystal. There should not be so many of those around that they require so little of an escort. Logically it should be more important to the Empire to protect that asset rather than hide it in a cargo ship.
    I'd rather have the Crystal make it to the DS and we see a real and truly tragic link to the Rebellion's failures knowing this Crystal was not able to be eliminated by our Ghost Team and it ends up that it is the main one in the DS that blows up Alderaan or Jeddha. Perfect avenue to explore future stories in Novels that are of a much darker nature presuming Kanan, Ezra, and other survive long enough to realize what a failure here cost them.

    Still -- I haven't felt this engrossed in a episode of Rebels since Vader / Ahsoka ---- so despite the issues I had with it -- I still loved it.
  19. T7-01

    T7-01 Jedi Knight star 1

    Aug 11, 2016
    So the episode was not more than ok imo 6/10.

    + Saw was great.
    + Nice Catalyst connection with the scientists.
    + The duel between Saw and Mon Mothma was nice.
    + Saw's Buddy

    - Wow, another Star Destroyer got destroyed.
    - The Jedi thing which the person above me already mentioned.
    - They destroyed again a Cyber crystal. Shouldn't Tarkin or Krennic be mad about this?
    - How did Titus and Slavin got those jobs? Like why should Slavin earn the honor to control a Star Destroyer? For letting Cham go? They just wanted to kill those guys off, I don't even know why.

    At the end it's get ridiculous what those guys can do and no one cares. Tarkin, Krennic, Thrawn or even Sheev should notice that those guys do way too much damage.
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  20. episodenone

    episodenone Jedi Grand Master star 4

    Jun 13, 2001
    I didn't read Catalyst -- and none of the Scientists that Krennic has killed in R1 were Aliens -- was there a connection to that? Because it would have been nice if they had CGI'd at least 1 or 2 Alien Scientists on that platform -- or made a couple of these guys Human unless there is something in Catalyst that makes up for it.

    And yea - I agreed in my post - someone at the top should be assigned to an all out blitz until these Rebels are stopped considering the loss of this kind of hardware. It's not as if there is no Empire dialogue anywhere showing not everyone is as cocky as others might be.

    We know Thrawn is a slow roller - and he did a lot of damage in the S3 Finale -- but the fact there are Lightsaber wielding Rebels and they keep on trucking along should be addressed by Vader sometime in this season. Even if he quotes Palps and no more.

    I know we have a long way to go and there are a lot of ways they can tie up the inconsistency or Tarkin's line to Vader in ANH about being the last - but something has to eventually account for Tarkin's knowledge of these 2.

    STILL I have to say - I loved this episode. It really gave me a "feeling" of some kind of importance / intensity more so than the Mandalorians for example - who so far, never appear again on screen.
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  21. Ancient Whills

    Ancient Whills Force Ghost star 5

    Jun 12, 2011
    Seems like Ezra got his title of Lieutenant Commander back.
  22. Swashbucklingjedi

    Swashbucklingjedi Game Winner star 5 VIP - Game Winner

    Oct 3, 2010
    These episodes were fairly good. I liked seeing Saw again, but seems that his part in this show is now over- we know now how he ended up on Jedha where he is in Rogue One. Honestly I think Saw is more interesting person to me than most of the main cast, would gladly see more of his adventures and things he has done for the rebellion- we cannot see anything like that in this kids show though.

    + U-wings and Saw's is black like his X-wings in Rogue One, nice detail
    + Two-Tubes was nice addition, but would've loved to see Moroff as well or other Saw's partisans, I guess they had animation budget for one extra character so Two-tubes was logical choice being second-in-command of Saw's men.
    + Mon Mothma and his discussions with Ezra and Saw were pretty well written in fact, I think Saw is somewhat similar to Garm Bel Iblis of legends canon, didn't he also have problems with Mon Mothma? He could very well appear in this show since Thrawn is there too, but Saw pretty much fills the place he could have as different rebel.
    +There was no more Ezra and jetpack "humor"- that wasn't funny.

    - So they decided to blow up two recurring officers- it's like they want to show us that we definitely won't be seeing these guys again- well that's a relief, but it makes not much sense really for Slavin and Titus to be there- it seems that they feel some sort of responsibility to kill off all named officers they have created for this show....Ok... but I don't see why.
    - I didn't like it how Death troopers were so... normal- I think they lost part of their scary weirdness they had in Rogue One when they just talk normally like that- they are just stormtroopers with black armor then....not much more skillful either
    - Comment about Yavin base was weird- temples sure are big but there was really just Y-wings and a few U-wings and they were like "So much different ships and people!".... uh I didn't see much anything but Y-wings and some rebel mechanics.
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  23. Darth Pipes

    Darth Pipes Jedi Grand Master star 5

    Oct 12, 1999
    Thought it was great.

    I thought Whittaker's performance was bizarre in Rogue One but have really been enjoying it here, as we see Saw become increasingly unhinged.

    I agree that the Death Troopers went down way too fast. But if they were that great, we would have seen them anywhere.

    I have no problem with Star Destroyers being destroyed and it's never portrayed as a straight up destruction. My problem is that it's repetitive. Both episodes ended with the destruction of an Imperial ship (in the first episode, a light cruiser) that looked like virtually the same scene. The show is too good for that.

    On the subject of Jedi running around, that's always a subject I've found very dicey on this show. I said last year that I thought it was a giant mistake to have Leia see Kanan and Ezra in action. That steps on movie territory that the show shouldn't step on. Also, it means that Kanan and Ezra HAVE to die because Leia and an increasingly large number of Rebels don't tell Luke after ANH that he can train with both Kanan and Ezra. Them becoming "something other than Jedi" as I've seen speculated doesn't work either. They need to be dead and completely out of the way otherwise it makes no sense that they weren't involved in helping Luke.

    I tend to agree they've become too big a problem for Palpatine, Vader and Tarkin to ignore at this point. And again, you're stepping on Luke's storyline by having Jedi this out in the open with the Rebellion.

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  24. vong333

    vong333 Jedi Grand Master star 5

    Oct 18, 2003
    I didn't think about it at first, but in this show it appears very easy to destroy an Imperial class star destroyer. Those were suppose to be big behemoths. I can attribute that to the animation which can exaggerate things. The same thing can be said of Kanan. Last seaon, he did a super long/high jump to get over the chasm in that Saw two parter at the beginning of 2017. Then in the first episode he does that super jump that takes everyone else a jet pack to get up their, and I a not talking about the jumping on top of a mandalorian either. Kanan has done some stuff that is way over the top if you ask me.
  25. DarthHutt

    DarthHutt Jedi Grand Master star 5

    Aug 2, 2000
    These are my favorite eps since the Vader/Ahsoka confrontation...

    So many movie refs here:
    -Yavin IV
    -Saw G / Rebel drop ship
    -Death Star Kyber Crystal
    -Krennic mention
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