Full Series Rebels to Re-Air to feature Vader Scene

Right! I'm not saying that he's feeling only Luke and Leia. Just that they must be a big part of what Frank is sensing.

And to be clear, we know that whatever the Emperor has felt, he has not yet discerned that any of these new 'children of the Force' are the offspring of Anakin Skywalker (and he will not for quite some time, yet). I'm not saying that. The films show us that it's not until Luke begins to train under Obi-Wan, destroys the Death Star, and then does whatever it is that he will have done during the interim between ANH and ESB, that Luke, specifically, becomes a shining beacon of 'Force-threat' and shows up on Vader and the Emperor's radars.

But I submit that if Sidious can foresee a threat in all of these untrained children -- this gigantic pool of untapped Force potential -- that Luke and Leia are unwittingly contributing to a big part of what Palps is sensing. They must be.

Do we have any clear pronunciation on the name, yet? I mean, I read it as rhyming with "Steve," too, but it's also a name I've never come across before, either, so what do I know?

 

I just think it means what I originally thought about Rebels - alternative outcome to the OT; Ezra might fall to the dark side and, in the end, the Ghost crew are either captured or killed by the Empire.

 

Luckily I saw that in my TV listings magazine before it started. Why they didn't have that clip on the Disney XD premiere to begin with is beyond me..

 

There have to be over 1000 force sensitive children.

 

As I said earlier, the whole thing looks rushed and unfinished. I expect it was supposed to be included but wasn't ready by the broadcast deadline.

 

To be honest, it didn't add anything to the story - or take from it.

It was cool, though.

What was wrong with it?

 

Cevan is certainly making the rounds... you are the go-to clip for TFN also http://www.theforce.net/story/front...f_Rebellion_Darth_Vader_Scene_Clip_160563.asp

 

Was an Ok short. These "children of the force" (i.e. would be Jedi )who do not join the Empire, they are to be killed by the Inquisitor if he cannot convert them which is kinda standard Sith ways Dooku to Obi Wan, Sidious to Anakin, Anakin-Vader to Kenobi, Vader to Luke and then Sidious to Luke. . So it is clear if it was not already, the Emperor's motives. The Sequel trilogy does appear to be to close to Dark Empire series if all these Imperial darkside agents roaming around carrying on and implementing Sidious' dark will and possible return in some form or another.

 

Just my opinion and assumption, there's nothing official I'm basing it on... I actually really like the story and the sound...

...But visually, not so much. The quality of the animation varies a lot within individual scenes. Textures, lighting, scene composition, the level of detail, the physics of hair (Ezra's blue condoms, the wookies solid plastic) and fabrics (Zeb's super-bendy armour distracts me quite a bit), it looks a lot like their animation resources been thrown together from different sources that aren't quite in the same style (or to the same level of completion)...

Lothal streets seem tiny, the 'tap tap' stuff in that heist scene became unintentional comedy once you saw how small their virtual stage was. In the fruit vendor treason scene it's such a tiny space with very little stuff in it. Some scenes look like cut scenes in a 10-20 year old computer game, awkwardly composed - clearly a set which doesn't expand beyond the width of the lens.

Lothal seems to be an agricultural planet with no animal or insect life, no time of day other than mid afternoon, very detailed grass, very small and vague looking towns, but scant variety of physical objects other than a lot of identical crates. It lacks the Star Wars 'lived in' quality. Everything is too clean, there's not enough dust, vapour, soot or smoke.

I just get the impression that more time could have been spent making it beautiful to look at, so perhaps it's missing some stuff that didn't pass DF and co.'s quality control by the deadline. Alternatively, Vader's scene could have been added thanks to executive micro-managing, or maybe it was in the original draft but Filoni decided to cut it for time or artistic reasons, I don't know.

But considering the DVD release doesn't have the scene but it was included in later repeats and the UK première, my money is on the failure to complete it by the deadline theory.

 

This thread is about the Vader scene - when you said it wasn't ready to air I thought you meant that particular bit.

You don't like the animation of the whole thing though - okay, but I don't understand your criticisms.

The animation isn't supposed to be as heavily detailed as TCW or a Pixar movie. The budget for Rebels isn't as much as Lucas committed to TCW, so Filoni and his crew designed the look of the show differently - rather than just try to get "the best they could" they gave it it's own unique design. And it is beautiful.

I don't see how it is "thrown together" - watch the behind the scenes clips going back to TCW. They put their heart ad soul into this.

What scenes look like something out of a "10-20 year old video game"?

What is the "tap, tap" stuff that became "unintentionally funny"?

 

I think it's the first ST easter egg; now we know why post-RoTJ Empire has apparent darkside users.

 

I did. I explained that I thought it was the most likely explanation given the rushed quality of the rest of the show, the DVD release and the subsequent changes for the repeats.

How do you know it's not supposed to be as detailed as TCW? Some of it is beautiful. The higher definition virtual model shots are superb, the texture of the grass on Lothal is good. It's just that all the resources (ie., the virtual props, costumes, cinematography and effects) lack stylistic cohesion/consistency. As if they have been designed and rendered by different people to different standards... As if the people making resources assumed that everything would be lit and graded properly before broadcast.

See above. You can put your heart and soul into something and never see it completed, I'm not saying that no effort went into the animation, merely that it could have benefited from a few more months of development and elaboration to achieve the Star Wars look and feel.

Mostly the street scenes. Awkward composition, awkward sets in an awkwardly small space, awkward movement, static cameras at uncomplimentary angles, etc.

When we first see the Ghost crew stealing the crates Kanan walks up to each member and 'clandestinely' taps himself, the crew members return the gesture. However it becomes apparent that the whole team are stood in the same very tiny street set, mere metres away from each other and the imperials.

 

Cam quality or not, it's nice to be able to see it online. The scene itself is good but not great; the Vader voicework does sound a bit off and the inclusion feels a bit pointless outside of being a ratings grab, but I still like it.

 

Cannot wait to see Vader in person on Rebels.

 

Okay - I get you. That wasn't clear to me from reading that earlier.

Rebel Force Radio was the source of that information.

I don't see any inconsistencies in any part of the episode. Can you point out some examples of scenes, etc.?

"Thrown together" implies haphazard and not caring about the outcome, not that it didn't come together right or time was against them. Watching the behind the scenes video shows that the crew are far from haphazard and care very much.

Nothing in this show looks like any computer game I played in that time period. I don't follow what is "awkward" about anything - can you give specifics so I can understand what you mean?

Okay - I thought "tap, tap" was a reference to those mobile games like The Simpsons, etc. - that is why I wasn't understanding that. I'll admit on the second or third viewing I thought it odd (not funny, though) but my nephew pointed out to me that it made perfect sense - they were acting covertly, no matter the size of the area or how close they are to each other - what is the alternative. The gesture made a lot more sense than all those cop and spy movies/shows were the the covert agents keep sticking their fingers in their ears when when waiting for a suspect in a public area, even after 007 pointed out the stupidity of in Casino Royale years ago.

 

Well be happy someone got it because I don't think we will be getting a better clip for a long while.

 

Yeah wtf is up with that, I would think someone would upload it by now. I mean it's on Itunes now too so.

 

CBA

Already explained that wasn't my intention. Thrown together the way I use it implies 'rushed to meet deadline at the expense of visual aesthetic quality.'

CBA

Right but it wasn't even as subtle as a Get Smart bit. It would work in the context of a play where we suspend our disbelief and accept the limitations of the size of the stage, but no such limitations need bother an animation. They could have set the scene in a larger space, or chosen a less noisy and visible gesture, or placed the heroes more than a few feet away from the imperials.

Nods would have been more appropriate for Star Wars, I think.

 

Terrific scene, James Earl Jones sounded exactly the same. This scene needs to be incorporated into the Season 1 Blu-Ray box set.

 

I do not understand what that means in this regard.

Yes, but that wasn't clear in the post where you said that - that is why I was explaining what I took the statement to mean. It wasn't a criticism of you, just explaining.

Again?

No, nods are too obvious - that is another type of "finger in the ear" gesture in "covert" scenes.

I know what you by suspending disbelief, but that is required in all forms of storytelling - animation, live action movies and TV. Even nature documentaries require the viewer to just go with the story as some events need to be staged.

 

Hey, FYI, all the iTunes and Amazon.co, and Watch DisneyXD digital versions of Spark of Rebellion have been updated with the Vader scene. If you've already bought it on digital media, then you own the Vader scene. The only thing left out is, understandably, the DVD release.

 

Its good to hear they updated it - I'm glad I held off from buying the DVD, because this scene is now part of the pilot / movie. Hopefully they'll release an updated disc or have it in the boxed set.

 

Well, glad I held off buying it.

 

My prediction is that we won't see a new physical release for this until a complete Season 1 + SoR box set.