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Lit Recanonized EU: A List

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Ordo Skirata, May 1, 2014.

  1. Tzizvvt78

    Tzizvvt78 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Hope the Demolisher shows up, too. :D
     
  2. Taalcon

    Taalcon Chosen One star 4

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    Looks like Tarkin recanonizes many events, story elements, and major plot points from previous novels from the Prequel era up through his own ROTS sequel, Dark Lord.

    This does kind of create a second level of pseudo-canon with some novels, sort of a "We've confirmed that the basic plot of the book happened, and with the same major players doing the same basic things - some of the details may be slightly off, but it basically happened as is". - this looks to be in some cases more than just book X mentioned character Z, but rather book X summarized specific scenes and the overall general plot of book Y. It kind of places those novels, such as 'Cloak of Deception', for example, in very much the same pseudocanonical place as the Novelizations. "Yes, the events of this book happened in general, but maybe not exactly in the details as reported in here'.

    I think that's really cool, and is a good compromise. Especially for some of the really good stories told in the prequel era in time periods unlikely to have a reason to be revisited in the publishing world going forward, and silly and unreasonable expect to have totally re-written.
     
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  3. Kablob

    Kablob Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    ROTOM has recanonized Base Delta Zero.
     
  4. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Do they use that term in the episode then? And how's the action described?
     
  5. Tzizvvt78

    Tzizvvt78 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    No, it's just mentioned as an in-joke for fans. Like people are supposed to know what it means when they don't describe it in anything more than a namedrop.

    Though with this fandom... :rolleyes:
     
  6. Kablob

    Kablob Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    An Imperial propaganda broadcast mentions that they've "recently liberated a new planet through the Base Delta Zero initiative."

    I about did a spit take when I heard that.
     
  7. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Maybe it's been redefined. Such a "liberated" planet, using the old definition (all resources, living included, have been utterly destroyed) would be kind of useless to anybody.
     
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  8. Darth_Garak

    Darth_Garak Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Could be irony. Look we liberated this place ... stop rebelling before we liberate you as well.
     
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  9. Gamiel

    Gamiel Chosen One star 9

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    Ah, newspeak
     
  10. JediKnight75

    JediKnight75 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    That does sound like Imperial propaganda. "Oh hey, we didn't actually bombard the planet. We just freed it from dissent. Now it can be a peaceful and loyal Imperial world once again."

    I like that they used that term in a newsfeed.
     
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  11. Mange

    Mange Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Pardon me, but what is ROTOM?
     
  12. Tzizvvt78

    Tzizvvt78 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Rise of the Old Masters. New Rebels episode.
     
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  13. Revanfan1

    Revanfan1 Force Ghost star 6

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    It also makes the "Legends" label make more sense. Like, "most of this stuff happened but this is the way the spacers tell it, so it might not be quite true." For example, a Mirialan historian might've overplayed Arwen Cohl's role in the events of Cloak of Deception, or an Imperial could've intentionally muddled the details of Labyrinth of Evil. Things like that.
     
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  14. Taalcon

    Taalcon Chosen One star 4

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    And if the history of the Jedi and Sith becomes completely re-written (I expect that), the Tales of the Jedi, etc can be seen as just that - stories and legends told as parables, fables, and warnings that are only half-believed anyway. The stories of Jedi Masters fading away preserves a truth, but one which has since become believed as merely symbolic. Jedi Bible Stories that preserve knowledge in skewed forms, designed to teach dogmatic lessons rather than actual history.

    "And that's why we only let members of the Jedi Council look into the Old Holocrons, because remember what happened to Exar Kun!", etc, etc.
     
  15. RandomGuardian

    RandomGuardian Jedi Knight star 1

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    That Base Delta Zero no doubt still does the same thing, "liberation" only happens to be how the Imperial Holonet sells what they're doing out there on the edge of space. RotOM didn't only mention that, and the BDZ can be considered cool to those who know, but the next item happens to be one that will matter heavily where reintroduction of critical backstory and details about the Jedi Order are concerned.

    When Kanan fights the Inquistor the latter calls him out after observing his battle performance for a short time, declaring he was trained by Jedi Master Depa Billaba. Kanan questions this and the Inquistor explains that Bilabba's focus was always on Form III, which Kanan was using against the Inquistor. While we don't know much about this "new" Form III, I think we can assume we'll be seeing Lightsaber Forms making a full return to canon.
     
  16. Crossjon

    Crossjon Jedi Padawan

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    Random thoughts on lightsaber forms from what we've seen so far:


    It doesn't look like the forms will be staying exactly the same, but they might just be in a different order. In the EU, Form III is soresu (which is extremely defense oriented) but Kanan was very agressive in this fight, more like Ataru. Additionally his opening stance is nothing like the soresu opening stance, but is almost identical to the ataru opening stance. Kanan being an Ataru user could also help explain why the Inquisitor beat him so easily, because Ataru is weak in confined spaces due to its reliance on acrobatics.

    I would also guess that there are more than just 7 forms in the NEU, seeing how the Inquisitor instantly connects form III with one specific master out of thousands. If there were only 7 forms (and only 5 commonly used by jedi) there would be dozens or hundreds of masters that specialize in form III.
     
  17. Captain RX

    Captain RX Jedi Master star 2

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    I forget is Armand Isard Ysanne isard's dad?
     
  18. Tzizvvt78

    Tzizvvt78 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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  19. A8T

    A8T Jedi Master star 2

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    Update for Star Wars: Commander game brings back TIE Defender, and the HWK- 290 seems to be a rebel campaign reward to come in the future.

    Oh and it looks like Death Troopers are set to make a return for Halloween!
     
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  20. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Retired Fleet Admiral star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The game is not canon. There was a recent interview with the developers that said this.

    --Adm. Nick
     
  21. HEDGESMFG

    HEDGESMFG Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Well that's just dumb... what happened to "NOW EVERYTHING NEW IS CANON"! :mad:
     
  22. Tzizvvt78

    Tzizvvt78 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    The units and places were, not the storyline that you create as a player:

    "Since we were already talking about story, I had to ask: is Star Wars: Commander going to be considered canon? After all, Disney and Lucasfilm said back in April that Star Wars games would be considered canonical going forward. The answer? Yes and no. While you'll encounter famous Star Wars icons like Han Solo and travel to places like Tatooine with its Tusken Raiders, those elements are of course canon, but the player-created situations are not."
     
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  23. JediKnight75

    JediKnight75 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    That might not even be referring to the storyline, but to the way the battles are fought or to you attacking other players. That would be in line with their policy with video games in the past -- storylines are canon, bit gameplay is not. Anyway, what was brought up as recanonizations were the units you could use, so the quote would indicate that they are canon now.
     
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  24. Tzizvvt78

    Tzizvvt78 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    And locations and people. Anything player-generated wouldn't be a mention of Nar Shaddaa or a TIE Defender, those are made by the company for the game.
     
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  25. A8T

    A8T Jedi Master star 2

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    Oh dear, it seemed my excitment might have been too premature! Do you have a link to the interview as I cant seem to find it (other than the one in August)?