Full Series Reconciling "The Last of the Jedi" with Rebels

Vader wasn't really a joke in the first TFU, he played Marek like a fiddle. The problem with Starkiller is his Gary Stu-ness and godmode power, but even that is not an issue if you view this game as well ... a game. It should never have become canon.

 

Agreed.

Strip away the uber power and Marek could be canon.

 

Also the whole "oh the Rebel insignia is his family crest." I never liked that either.

 

Agreed that was total B.S. the rebel star bird is supposed to be based off the insignia of the old jedi order, not some guy's family. Hell even in the EU and TCW you can see the jedi order symbol and it looks very much nearly identical to the rebel insignia.

 

McQ's symbol is actually a crest and emblem taken from the Roman Empire that was on shields and later used in European heraldry. The Rebel Alliance symbol looked nothing like Jedi or Republic logos to be blunt. The family crest of a Force family becoming the rallying sign of what would become the New Republic was more fitting, was better than Mandocentric girl coming up with the proto insignia - to me it looked like Filoni was pulling a Karen Travis probably cause his wife had a thing for Nite Owls and helped inspire their creation and they were essentially Filoni's contribution and one directed to be incorporating more females.

Darth Vader was powerful in TFU, the reason why Starkiller was so visibly powerful was because its a game(even in Jedi Starfighter and EU Jedi used Force Lightning) during this time the Force was out've balance and had shifted dark and thus unlike the Jedi who were losing their powers the Sith and those who are like them were gaining power in the Force. And he was not disciplined to control the power like a Jedi Knight, and Vader wanted him to be this raw weapon so he could potentially overthrow the Emperor, whether by using Starkiller to aid in a confrontation or weaken Sidious's powerbase and Imperial infrastructure, or make it out like he learned his lesson but he did not and would strike again. Sith Apprentices and Sith Masters seem to test one another as its part've their way from what we're shown. Starkiller actually follows the Inquisitor storytelling of the new canon, hunting down Jedi and all of that kinda thing. Its unknown if Vader wants to destroy the Emperor this early in Filoni's continuation of TCW, but potentially Vader could use the Inquisitors as his personal army or one selected from them as a champion. TFU follows the ROTS movie and more closely Lucas's outline. Vader wanted Kenobi to join him and what he referred to as "his" Empire & Vader also said he could overthrow the Emperor to Padme. During the Mortis arc, he also joins The Son, to destroy the Emperor he saw in his visions. So this early, Vader was susceptible to serving a greater powerful Dark Side figure other than the Sith, and he wanted to rule the galaxy.

 

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You were saying?

 

However, Starkiller's family were Jedi...

 

That is a point, perhaps it was a family history of breaking the rules and having children? I heard in-universe the reason starkiller was so OP is that both his parents were force sensitive. Something that doesn't happen often for obvious reasons.

Vorax I still agree with you on the Sabine thing, her inventing the symbol is FAR worse than starkiller.

 

Maybe from your point of view, but those two symbols look nothing alike aside from sharing a crescent-like shape and to draw a conclusion they're connected is pretty unconvincing.

Tallon's Family Crest:




So family crest versions appeared pretty universal in the SW galaxy during the EU, so the symbol or something like was not only used by Jedi. We do not even how connected Sabine's symbol is to the Jedi's insignia anyway, since she's a Mandalorian and they were not Republic or pro-Jedi.

"There's a lot of meaning to the symbol. According to some, the starbird can never die- whenever it seems to be gone, it's actually renewing itself in the heart of a nova."- Sabine Wren's personal journal

So, this symbol sounds universal, and not affiliated with the Jedi Order, or Order alone was not the only one that used the symbolism.

Sabine's "starbird" was created specifically to make the transitionally symbol between the Rebels and turned that was supposed to make it bird wings, the Rebel Alliance symbol is so simplified for unknown reasons, maybe they have an idea of two birds coming together united as one, I don't know. But again, it would more reinforce the TFU crest since Galen's father was a Jedi and his family could've very well likely been force sensitive for many generations going back to the formative years of the Republic and close allies to the Jedi and thus why his family crest and the Jedi's logo, were similar.

 

Right so just so we don't get too off topic here, we do have a thread to talk about Starkiller in Rebels.

http://boards.theforce.net/threads/starkiller-in-rebels.50012636/

 

This is the first I'm heard about Sabine being granted the honor of originating the Rebels logo. These are the sort of things that require great care, and a show that is worthy of establishing such important lore, and this Rebels show isn't close to good enough to deserve such an honor (IMO). Just another reason for me to want Filoni and co. off future projects and to have Rebels wrap up ASAP. The longer it stays on as the lone official canon source for establishing backstory lore preceding Episode IV, the more at risk we are of cringe-worthy, fan-frustrating ret-cons, "small-galaxy syndrome" meetings with OT characters, and silly origin stories to important characters and symbols......

 

Darth Saxman please don't start this again.

There will never be another show that is set this close to ANH.

 

And isn't that a real shame, if true?

 

Did she "invent" it, or was it already there and she's just using it?

 

Not really. I don't feel like getting into the discussion again, but if Rebels details the formation of the alliance being formed it doesn't need to be retold from a different pov. With the wipe of the formation being relegated to the Legends, it only needs to be told once to be entered into canon.

 

I don't want another Clone Wars and The Clone Wars thing going on with Rebels and another show.

 

Sabine should not be given the honor of making the rebel insignia.

 

Alright. I don't like having to repeat myself but since this conversation seems to have moved away from Filoni and now we are on the topic of Sabine, the Rebel insignia etc it would be a good idea to take this to the Sabine thread.

http://boards.theforce.net/threads/sabine.50018458/

Or the thread on the Rebel Allience.

http://boards.theforce.net/threads/rebel-alliance.50031171/

But yeah let's get back to Filoni and the Jedi.

 

So Filoni has a nice hat.

No but seriously I don't care if there are Jedi post Yoda.

 

It's probably full of secrets.

 

I thought it was the stuff that dreams or nightmares were made of? Depending on your point of view.

 

I'm not so sure lol. But what would happen if he lost his hat?

 

Pandora's box. The apocalypse.

 

Did you guys ever notice the AT-AT vs AT-TE was sitting on his desk the entire time:

 

Filoni is a perfect example of why it is incredibly dangerous to let a huge fan of a series shape the future canon of that series and direct a movie and/or TV show. The only way that works out well in the end is if the huge fan can restrain his fan urges and his personal biases regarding characters, plots etc. and make his decisions based on what makes the most sense consider existing past canon and on what seems most rational and story-propelling moving forward.

If it takes too much thought to explain or raises too many red flags regarding conflicting with prior canon, JUST DON'T GO THERE!!!! It is a huge galaxy to explore, and plenty to be done within the existing bound of canon without treading too far into the gray zone of such issues as whether there were Jedi romping around the galaxy just a few years before Episode IV or establishing the origin story of the Rebel insignia almost 40 years after its debut by saying that a pink-suited female Mandalorian was the reason the Rebels used it. So many other examples to mention, between TCW and Rebels, but the worst infraction, by far, is the topic of this thread and his frustrating "workaround" for the last of the Jedi and shoe-horning in Jedi (and Inquisitors.....UGH) in the period just before Episode IV.....

Filoni is an uber-fan graced with the privilege of leading the only new canon for Star Wars between Episodes III and IV and has continually demonstrated a severe lack of discretion in this regard. When you throw in his clear personal biases towards certain characters of his own creation (or his previous show's origin) such as Ahsoka, Rex, and Plo-Koon, he becomes the perfect example of what not to do if you are a fan that is put in charge of a series that you love.