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PT Red has a cultural meaning on Naboo

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by darklordoftech, Jul 3, 2013.

  1. Cryogenic

    Cryogenic Force Ghost star 5

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    He's not separate from her. He's her advisor.

    And he's not opposed to her. He uses her for his own purposes.

    Palpatine clearly has some regal aspirations of his own -- he puts himself across as a dignified, enlightened monarch/patriarch figure, which is how he ensnares Anakin and later has Anakin idly talking of dictatorship to a former Naboo queen, acquires his own royal guard, and then there's that little thing about him becoming, to use his full title, "His Imperial Majesty, Emperor Palpatine", not to mention his throne room on the the Death Star II. You may have noticed (well, I guess you haven't) that Palpatine's throne room in ROTJ is meant to sharply contrast with Amidala's throne room in TPM; a contrast reflected in the gender, age, experience, and bearing of the respective occupiers.

    And this is a thoughtful post, too:

     
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    He is separate from her, in all regards. He is in fact separate from everyone. He is not her adviser, he is her enemy. He serves no one but himself

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  3. Cryogenic

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  5. Cryogenic

    Cryogenic Force Ghost star 5

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  7. Darth_Nub

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    @Cryogenic and Captain Tom Coughlin - take it outside or take a hike.

    It's a thread discussing red colour schemes in the fictional culture of Naboo, not gun control or abortion. Yeesh.
     
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  8. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    I have a question: Isn't it quite a coincidence (in-universe) that Palpatine's home planet uses the same color as the Sith?
     
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    I think it's a strong possibility that it is not a coincidence at all
     
  10. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    What is the connection?
     
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    That Palpatine's fingerprints are on every aspect of what is happening to Naboo, and that his destructive influence has been in play since a time before we join the story.
     
  12. SkywalkerJedi02

    SkywalkerJedi02 Jedi Knight star 1

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    I think it's like what some else mentioned on Pg 1 that it was Naboo's colour for the Republicans.
     
  13. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    If Naboo's use of the color red doesn't have a Sith connection, one must wonder about the (non-EU) assumption that the Sith have alwats had red sabers...
     
  14. Reveen

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    American Judges wear black, assault rifles used by American soldiers are also generally black.

    DUN DUN DUN
     
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  15. SkywalkerJedi02

    SkywalkerJedi02 Jedi Knight star 1

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    Yeah it may have to with the Siths Birth place since the Jedi are located on a Blue Planet they use Blue sabers predominantly so I think the Sith must of come from a red plant maybe similar to mustafar without the lava, maybe like the Jedi's birth place Planet.
     
  16. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    What I was suggesting is that Palpatine gave himself and his apprentices red sabers because of his home planet's color rather than the Sith having always had red sabers. There's nothing outside of the EU that tells us what color sabers the Sith had before Palpatine.
     
  17. SkywalkerJedi02

    SkywalkerJedi02 Jedi Knight star 1

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    Yeah But the Sith still use Red Sabers in other projets like the Old republic, I just believe thats their colour we wont know until the origin of the Sith is Revealed.
     
  18. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    that's EU
     
  19. WatTamborWoo

    WatTamborWoo Jedi Master star 3

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    One of the elements of the SW films is its colour tonal quality.

    You are right "Red" is important for Palpatine in TPM. It is intended, as GL says in the DVD commentary I believe, to symbolise his aggressive qualities. As such his apartments have this overbearing redness hinting at his real identity underneath his seeming benevolence. It is quite chilling when you see Padme literally sitting in the heart of his malevolence. The idea is then that his colours change to "greys" as his plans unfold through the films and as his world becomes increasingly emotionless.

    The colours of the Queen, whoever she is, represents the vibrancy of the Naboo culture. It is this vividness and diversity, a type of organic culture, that is supplanted by the monochromatic and technological world of the Empire.

    I particulary love the colour tones displayed in the weather and skies of the PT. These palattes capture beautifully the change of mood from TPM to ROTS.
     
  20. Cryogenic

    Cryogenic Force Ghost star 5

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    Right on.

    From a cool article originally posted by Seagoat:

    http://boards.theforce.net/threads/...requel-reviews.32077440/page-42#post-50512751

    http://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/01/watching-the-star-wars-prequels-muted-an-experiment

    Watching the Star Wars Prequels on Mute: An Experiment
    by Emily Asher-Perrin

    Wed Jan 16 2013 11:00am

     
  21. El Jedi Colombiano

    El Jedi Colombiano Force Ghost star 5

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    Naboo was partially based on East Asian cultures, in particular the Mongolian and Chinese ones. the Red color is clearly an influence on Chinese culture, which can be seen in their architecture, clothing and what not. Besides, the handmaidens dress up somewhat similar to Buddhist monks
     
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  22. Cryogenic

    Cryogenic Force Ghost star 5

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    Nice one, EJC. That's a very good catch; and it exemplifies the expanded "East Asian" aesthetic that Lucas decided to weave into Episode I.
     
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  23. SithStarSlayer

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    Looking at her wardrobe, no...

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    Travel attire and dinner dress... no red in them either.

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    I don't see red being a big deal to the Naboo.
     
  24. Cryogenic

    Cryogenic Force Ghost star 5

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    Hey! You can't just go 'round pokin' your nose in the Queen's wardrobe like that! :p

    Okay, so red isn't the only colour at play -- blue, in many ways, is far more significant -- but it does crop up more than you're allowing for. For one, it's in all those top pics of Padme as Queen (her makeup), and two, it features as a gem in TPM-Tatooine-Padme's belt: a transition, of sorts, from the red jewel (third eye) that she sports as Queen in her classic red dress that marks her first appearance. When Padme is at her most defiant, as Queen, she appears to prefer showing red in her dresses, which is significant, I think (e.g., first scene with Nute, up against the Senate). I'd also include things like those stunning red-petaled flowers at the Lake Retreat and the red stones that line the pit at the end of the reactor room which Obi-Wan falls into (clinging onto a covering which ensconces one of these stones is what saves him from tumbling into the abyss; as Maul soon does).
     
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  25. SithStarSlayer

    SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I didn't go through any drawers.;)

    :p

    True, but "cropping up" doesn't really move me when it comes cultural significance of a color, I need more prevalence.:)