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Lit Red Sith darkside inclination: Genetic or Cultural?

Discussion in 'Literature' started by darklordoftech, Jul 17, 2013.

  1. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Is there any evidence either way?
     
  2. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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  3. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I think in the same series one of the nicer temple heads was a red sith.

    So yeah, cultural.
     
  4. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    If it's cultural, I wonder how this culture came to be.
     
  5. Reveen

    Reveen Jedi Knight star 3

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    Yeah cultural, and anybody tryin' to argue for genetic pre-destination towards evil is jonesing for a grade-A bithslap.
     
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  6. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    I'd love to see a Red Sith who follows the ways of the PT Jedi.
     
  7. Ulicus

    Ulicus Lapsed Moderator star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I'd say cultural and environmental. By the time we get to the GAotS era, the Sith worlds are so replete with dark side energy that even if you somehow managed to eradicate the culture, anyone raised on those worlds would likely wind up corrupt.

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    As for where the dark side culture "came from" in the first place, I would imagine it went the same way as always. The Sith species discovered the Force, a bunch of different traditions arose around its use... and then one of those traditions -- in this case a dark side one -- beat out all the rest.
     
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  8. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    For a planet to have Dark Side energy, there has to have been Dark Side use and/or dead darksiders on that planet.
     
  9. Ulicus

    Ulicus Lapsed Moderator star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Yes.
     
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  10. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    http://swtor.gamepedia.com/Codex/Galactic_History_04:_King_Adas
     
  11. Ulicus

    Ulicus Lapsed Moderator star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I hadn't really considered the possibility that Adas' conquest of the Sith nations could also double up as what united all the Sith beneath the banner of the dark side... but, yeah, that'd work.
     
  12. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    That's not what I was saying. What I was saying is that the Red Sith didn't know about The Force until the Rakata showed up.
     
  13. Revanfan1

    Revanfan1 Force Ghost star 6

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    Actually, cultural. They can choose to be Jedi. Look at Lord Praven:

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Praven

    Read that. His only "passion" (which the Sith Code requires) is honor. He actually becomes a Jedi, and a loyal servant of the light side. So there you go: cultural, tradition...but not hard-wired into their blood.
     
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  14. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    But he still has a passion.
     
  15. Revanfan1

    Revanfan1 Force Ghost star 6

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    So? You're going to argue that he's still technically dark-sided because he has a single passion? I'd say practically every Jedi has some passion or another. He just doesn't use rage, hatred, lust, etc. like the other Sith. He's certainly not dark. Gray, maybe, but more likely light and definitely not dark.
     
  16. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    No. I was just asking about the possibility of a Red Sith without passion.
     
  17. Revanfan1

    Revanfan1 Force Ghost star 6

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    Well, I think it would be very hard to find any sentient being with no passion whatsoever.
     
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  18. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Maybe I should say "a passion".
     
  19. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 8

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    To quote Jedi Master Djinn Altis:

    "Passion. Passion and anger and love. That's what this galaxy needs, not serenity. Passion for change. Anger at this brutality. Love - buckets of it, for everyone, love between child and parent, between spouses, between brothers and sisters, between friends. We need more attachment, not less. Attachment can stop us from tearing ourselves apart."
     
  20. Ulicus

    Ulicus Lapsed Moderator star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Oh! Right. In that case, you're incorrect. :p

    Anyway, this line of conversation has reminded me to reacquaint myself with Halagad_Ventor 's excellent Evil Never Dies:

    "King Adas was a massive, regal being encased in majestic ebon warrior armor. Raised from his youth as a chosen being due to the charcoal pigment of his skin, Adas demonstrated great intelligence, fighting prowess, and a tremendous aptitude for Sith magic. With his alchemically forged battle-ax, Adas led the bloody unification of Korriban's disparate nations and became its undisputed world ruler. The Sith people came to believe that King Adas was immortal and that his reign would be eternal."

    Given the above, I have no idea why TOR's codex would suggest that Adas was an untrained Force sensitive. Bizarre.

    And I'd forgotten all about this nugget:

    "Some historians have speculated that the attitudes of the early Sith people were owed to a prehistoric encounter between their species and the vampiric beings known as the Anzati."
     
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  21. Revanfan1

    Revanfan1 Force Ghost star 6

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    Even then, it would be very difficult. Almost everyone has a passion about something–even the Jedi, technically, have a passion for the Jedi way.
     
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  22. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    True, but this thread isn't about whether the PT Jedi are right or wrong.

    "untrained" could mean that Adas didn't know everything that a Jedi would.
     
  23. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 8

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    It's about whether a person can be both a Sith devotee of passion, and lightside- and we know from that quote that there exist lightside Jedi who see nothing wrong with passion.
     
  24. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Very likely both. It probably started out as cultural, but if there are some combination of traits that predisposes someone to have a personality amenable to falling to the dark side then I'm sure that the people with those traits won out. Of course, we only have like what, a thousand generations to work with, but that's enough for a little bit I think.
     
  25. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    I'm totally against genetic, by the way.

    Anyway, could the Adas Kingdom be the origin of the name "Sith"?

    I would love an Adas novel. Ulicus