Amph Resurrecting Characters

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  1. NYCitygurl NSWFF Manager

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    I would think it would be annoying with superhero deaths - it seems lame to make everyone go through all of that and keep bringing people back over and over.
  2. Gamer_4_life Jedi Youngling

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    Since I have read many books I exactly don't remember which author has done that.. In some circumstances it is better to kill the character, in some we get annoyed
  3. Rogue...Jedi Administrator Emeritus

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    There's also the point that simply killing a major character can really annoy people, even if they aren't resurrected. *coughChewiecough*
  4. Raven Administrator Emeritus

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    The Captain America death was actually supposed to be short term thing - only a six issue arc or so. So, not a "real" death. Marvel decided to expand on the story, and for what it's worth, the arc that's resulted has been quite worthwhile in my opinion. The only good thing to come of Batman's "death" was zombie Black Lantern Batman.


  5. Tiggermyk Jedi Knight

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    No kidding. I think I remember RAS mentioning somewhere that he not only got hatemail for that move--again, ordered by the editors--but also honest-to-God death threats. And I hear he's getting slightly less of the same for his most recent Drizzt book, too. Kill 'em off and the fans get mad; bring 'em back, and they get madder! There's no pleasing us...;)
  6. Jedi Ben Chosen One

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    Something a great many fans at the time expressed their total disapproval of too.
  7. Tiggermyk Jedi Knight

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    But of course. We're not all insane. :)

    I just find it so hard to wrap my mind around it sometimes, when people become so obsessed with characters or books that they feel it's somehow acceptable to threaten someone's life. Sure I bawl like a baby when certain characters die, or scream at a book when I think a character is acting particularly stupid, but I just start complaining to my dad or friends, or go online and find other fans and go, "OMG CAN YOU BELIEVE S/HE DID THAT?!?!?! RAWR!!!" Death threats are such an extreme overreaction to what essentially amounts to a figment of someone's imagination. :(

    It's my understanding that he received far more fanmail than hatemail, and the threats were a small amount of them, but the fact remains that there was more of the latter than former as compared to past reactions to his other books; and any presence of threats is something to be noted, IMHO.
  8. NYCitygurl NSWFF Manager

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    Yeah, that's a bit overboard. Don't like it? Stop reading and invent your own personal canon.
  9. Rogue...Jedi Administrator Emeritus

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    Death threats are without a doubt going WAY too far. That might be when people need to go home and rethink their life :p
  10. NYCitygurl NSWFF Manager

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  11. Jedi Ben Chosen One

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    No worries, just wanted to pre-empt that notion in any serious sense whatsoever.
  12. Rouge77 Jedi Grand Master

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    Hatemail is an old thing, I remember reading that Arthur Conan Doyle got an ample supply of early versions of it already when he threw Sherlock Holmes down the Reichenbach Falls back in 1891.

    Real hardcore fans tend to end up believing that they "own" the characters as much as the writer. Not much to be done with that, I guess.

    I'm not against resurrections, when done right overall, and when it's a case of characters I really like - my icon gives a hint ;) - I'm ready to accept a lame one also. But beyond that I think there should be some price to be paid, some permanent change to the character as a result of the experience. Like Gandalf in LotR. If you come back, you come back changed.
  13. Duragizer Jedi Grand Master

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    I generally hate it when dead characters are ressurrected. For the most part it's done badly and only to pay fan service.

    Any character from Heroes is a good example of this, especially Sylar.
  14. JEDI-SOLO Force Ghost

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    I totally agree with the Sylar bit.
  15. FlareStorm Force Ghost

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    I've noticed in comics the last few years, that its become a given that they will return. Batman died, Captain America died, but even the writers admit that they will be coming back. Unlike before, where you were supposed to wonder if they were.

    So now the focus of the stories is not the "if" but the "how"

    There are two comic resurrections that annoy me. Flash (Barry Allen) and Captain Marvel. They both died in great stories, and they way they did so really defined the character and their universe.

    And we can't have this discussion without mentioning Jean Grey. I swear, one of her mutant powers is being dying and being resurrected every few years.
  16. Raven Administrator Emeritus

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    Morrison planned to make that clear in his X-Men run, but his run ended before he could make it happen.
  17. FlareStorm Force Ghost

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    That is both ridiculous and makes sense
  18. JoinTheSchwarz Comms Admin & Community Manager

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    Well, her name is Phoenix, after all.

    Take a look at uxm.net's X-Men Death Chart. It's quite fun.
  19. NYCitygurl NSWFF Manager

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    Without having read any of the X-Men comics (or any comics, actually) I can say that doesn't surprise me - like JTS said, her name is Phoenix.
  20. MarcusP2 Games and Community Reaper

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    I thought the Captain Marvel that returned was a Skrull imposter.
  21. JoinTheSchwarz Comms Admin & Community Manager

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    He was. His heroic sacrifice prompted Noh-Varr to accept the Captain Marvel mantle.
  22. Jedi Ben Chosen One

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    That's what it became, but who knows what the original plan was? There was a hell of a backlash to Civil War: The Return.
  23. JoinTheSchwarz Comms Admin & Community Manager

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    Oh, no, I agree. I'm sure the original plan was to have Mar-Vell back or at least just to see what the reaction to The Return was. We still can't count it as a resurrection; as published, it's technically just a red herring. Plus I kind of liked Khn'nr.
  24. Asharak Force Ghost

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    In general it depends on the writer. GRRM is a pretty good one, but the one character he resurrected was done so in such a dumb way I still feel embarrassed. On the other side Gandalf in Lord of the Rings is on an idea level worse, but it doesn?t feel that way at all, it works perfectly.
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