Senate Revolution in the Muslim World

Discussion in 'Archive: The Senate Floor' started by Lowbacca_1977, Jan 28, 2011.

  1. Kimball_Kinnison Chosen One

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    As I mentioned on the temp boards, my son was born the day that Mubarak stepped down in Egypt. It is my hope that Assad will step down the day my daughter is born.

    We are now in "any day now" territory, and my wife has been having contractions since Thursday. Assad's days are numbered, I tell you!
  2. DarthBoba Manager Emeritus

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    I don't think it'd necessarily change anything. As far as I know the Libyan rebellion never coalesced around a single individual, and the various leaders never really banded together, either. It's more geopolitically complex in Syria than Libya; Libya had been at best a peripheral nation whose leader mainly just spouted conspiracy theories in the UN; Syria has actual allies and stuff :p
  3. Alpha-Red Force Ghost

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    From what I've heard, a lot of Syrians are frustrated and angry that the West isn't coming to their aid. Now of course there's no way to tell how widespread this sentiment is, but isn't that why we need a more or less cohesive leadership from the rebels? You're probably right that the rebels might not welcome Western troops or warplanes fighting their war for them, but they'd probably be much more amenable to being supplied with weapons since supposedly they now have more fighters than they have weapons.
  4. Violent Violet Menace Force Ghost

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    I've heard that as well, and first hand at that, from some expatriate Syrians that I know. However, as you noted, we wouldn't know how widespread either sentiment is. I certainly wasn't suggesting that I know better than you or others; just that we shouldn't assume too much.
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  5. ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio

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    Wow, some Egyptians just stormed our embassy, tore down our flag and ripped it up.

    Apparently the U.S. consulate in Libya was sacked too.
  6. GenAntilles Force Ghost

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    With one American dead and another wounded.
  7. Kimball_Kinnison Chosen One

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    Latest reports have 4 Americans dead in Libya, including our Ambassador.
  8. Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus

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    October surprise come a bit early this year.
  9. TheGuardianofArlon Force Ghost

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    oy...
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  10. Alpha-Red Force Ghost

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    This is just sickening to watch. First, there's the seeming ignorance of Arab society at large about the importance of free speech. Do these protestors seriously think that it's the job of foreign governments to crack down on every jackass that insults their religion or that we have an obligation to follow certain tenets of their religion? Second, there's the malice of all the Terry Joneses here in the West who exploit this Arab ignorance to deliberately provoke a violent response. At this point I'm convinced that they want to sabotage relations between the West and the Arab world. These people are always talking about an inevitable war of civilizations, and then they go and do their utmost to try to make that war happen.
  11. TheGuardianofArlon Force Ghost

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    What really gets me is that this happened in Benghazi, a city that probably would have been flattened by Qaddafi if there had been no intervention.
  13. Lord Vivec Chosen One

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  14. TheGuardianofArlon Force Ghost

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    Nope, mostly from persecution websites, just put that link as it was the first thing to come up to post a point. But if you search you'll find other sites with it as well.
  15. Ghost Chosen One

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    It seems to have been a commando squad, armed with machine guns and missiles. The attack on the Benghazi embassy was no spontaneous uprising in protest of the movie. It was probably long-planned and coordinated by Al Qaeda.
  16. Violent Violet Menace Force Ghost

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    Amanpour is devoting tonight's episode to this incident. On CNN International it's airing now. I don't know if it's going to air later tonight on American CNN... or maybe the International channel airs the American programming of the preceding day...?
  17. Lowbacca_1977 Force Ghost

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    Al Jazeera talks about the attack in Libya having possible ties to the drone killing of a Libyan Al Qaeda member, with the planning and a confirmation of that death (months late only coming earlier Tuesday). It cites some think tank opinions on there I'm hesitant about, but I do trust Al Jazeera enough to have given those views some vetting before including them in a story like this.

    As for Syria, I seem to recall a while back, that they were basically asking for help, and the world's response was "no". So this is just a continuation of that pattern.
  18. Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus

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    This movie almost seems like a clandestine psych op created intentionally to drum up anti-American rage in the Middle East.
  19. Condition2SQ Jedi Grand Master

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    I agree with both points, although I disagree that the Arab society is "ignorant" of the importance of free speech. They aren't ignorant of the principle; they just don't value it.

    Your second point is right on, though. While I emphatically disagree that we "deserve" these retaliations for perceived slights of Mohammed, I certainly don't agree with engaging in incendiary speech purely for the sake of engaging in incendiary speech.
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  20. DarthBoba Manager Emeritus

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  21. GenAntilles Force Ghost

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    As General Shepard from MW2 said, 'we should've known they'd hate us for it.'

    Well that certainly warms my heart, need more of that from both sides.
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  22. DarthBoba Manager Emeritus

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    Correction: Five or so of "them" hated us for it. The rest of the city, however, thinks we're awesome. :p
  23. Condition2SQ Jedi Grand Master

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    [IMG]


    Such a great picture. The misspellings of "behavior" and "prophet" are so endearing.
  24. DarthBoba Manager Emeritus

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    Yeah, they'll doubtless be in trouble for defaming the prophet next. :p
  25. Rogue_Ten Chosen One

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    Out of line
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