Senate Revolution in the Muslim World

Discussion in 'Archive: The Senate Floor' started by Lowbacca_1977, Jan 28, 2011.

  1. Violent Violet Menace Force Ghost

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    I was watching a discussion panel the other day where one of the speakers outlined pretty much the same narrative, minus the link to Georgia. Might have been the same guy.
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  2. Alpha-Red Force Ghost

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    The book I was talking about is A Little War That Shook The World by Ronald Asmus, who was Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under President Clinton. The book was written in 2010, so it was before the Libya war, but I simply took what he said about Russia, saw how it would apply to Libya and Syria, and put two and two together.
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  3. Ghost Chosen One

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    There seems to have been a Chemical Weapons attack, both the Assad Regime and the Rebels are blaming each other. This is the "red line" being crossed, if confirmed.

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/19/world/meast/syria-civil-war/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

    But with this being on the 10th anniversary of the Iraq War, plus all the confusion surrounding this, I hope we don't make a call too soon.




    Overview of the Syrian Civil War, right now:
    Green= controlled by Assad government
    Brown= controlled by Rebels or Kurds
    Blue= disputed/in-conflict
    Circle Size= number of people in that area

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  4. wannasee Force Ghost

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  5. Violent Violet Menace Force Ghost

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  6. Alpha-Red Force Ghost

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  7. Ghost Chosen One

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  8. Ghost Chosen One

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    There are some rumors that Assad has been shot, possibly killed, by one of his own bodyguards. Nothing on major news sites yet.
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  10. heels1785 Jedi Draft Commissioner

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    I wasn't sure where to put this, but it does carry relevance here. Bill Maher is exec producing a new show on HBO called "Vice," with the help of some other heavy hitters like Fareed Zakaria. Documentary-style, but extremely up close and risky journalism. Premiered last night, they went into the Philippines and Afghanistan to examine the political assassination trend in the Philippines (12,000 in last 10 years) and the disturbing use of children by the Taliban for suicide bombers.

    Would definitely check it out if you are able- it is fantastic.
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  11. Violent Violet Menace Force Ghost

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    Vali Nasr argues for US intervention in an op-ed in the NY Times. Initially, I was against military intervention, as I thought it would make the situation worse, but that's a long time ago now. At this point, it's hard to argue that it could get much worse, with millions of Syrian refugees in surrounding countries and an estimated 70 000 killed so far in the conflict. Nasr also argues that the longer this is allowed to fester, the further it will destabilize the region as a whole, as Saudi Arabia and Iran continue their proxy competition. Nasr argues for humanitarian aid for refugees, arms to the rebels and the imposition of a no-fly-zone to repair America's standing among disillusioned Syrians, as well as bringing a decisive end to the civil war. What do you think?
  12. Ghost Chosen One

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  13. Juliet316 Chosen One

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    And according to FOX News, Eygpt is claiming that the rebels have joined up with Al Qaeda in Iraq. But then again according to FOX News every Muslim is a terrorist these days.
  14. Jabba-wocky Chosen One

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    What "the rebels" Al-Nusra announced their merger like 3 weeks ago. Sort of fitting, in that they started as an AQI offshoot anyway.
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  15. Alpha-Red Force Ghost

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    What if we simply let Syria be partitioned? It would get a little ugly with regards to Turkey, Iraq and the Kurds, but it's got to be better than letting the war continue as it is, and it might allow for the international community to secure the chemical weapons stockpiles around the country.
  16. Ghost Chosen One

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    How do you partition this?

    It would require an even more active war than simply helping get rid of Assad.

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Syrian_Civil_War.svg
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  17. Jabba-wocky Chosen One

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    "Let it" how? No one wants that. Everyone is fighting to win the entire country.
  18. Lowbacca_1977 Force Ghost

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    I think it, ultimately, will come down to if and when Aleppo changes allegiance significantly. It was that support early on that kept Assad in power, and a change there could well be the point at which Assad can't hold on any more.
  19. GenAntilles Force Ghost

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    So Sec Def Hagel says Syria has used chemical weapons, sarin specifically. This will end well...
  20. Ghost Chosen One

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    They seem to be asking the UN to confirm it... but yeah, I don't see how we continue the same course now. It's time for long-overdue NATO action.
  21. Mustafar_66 Force Ghost

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    The Times' front page tomorrow is rather grim:

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  22. LandoThe CapeCalrissian Jedi Master

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    Either we nuke the entire middle east and turn it into a parking lot or we leave it the hell alone...

    I vote for leaving it the hell alone... Those countries just make my skin crawl and we have no business being there at all.. Let them live in the 5th century for all I care. Use them for business and for oil until we can come up with different sources of energy. Until than stop meddling in those countries affairs. There is no return on investment for the common taxpaying voter..
  23. Mustafar_66 Force Ghost

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    Really humanitarian of you.
  24. GenAntilles Force Ghost

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    I'd rather we support their growing secular middle class as much as we can with favorable trade agreements. Eventually the prosperous middle classes of those nations will find consumerism and money is better than living in the 5th century religious radicalism brings and drive out the radicals when they take over.
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  25. LandoThe CapeCalrissian Jedi Master

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    its not the U.S. taxpayers job to support the middle east with our tax money... Humanitarian you say, go adopt a dog from the shelter. The middle east is a dump and our men and women don't deserve to lose their lives in a sand pit..

    Unless you've been living in a cave for the last 20+ years you would see the middle east is a lose lose for any country who meddles there... Its cost us lives and trillions and all the innocent men, women and children weve killed there... Go take your Humanitarian propaganda and shove it.
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