PT Rewriting the Prequels...

It was pretty clear. It always has been.

 

It was the AoTC novelizations in particular that supported the possibility that Sifo-Dyas was not, in fact, killed before the army order was placed.

 

The events in question are too close together in the timeline to tell definitively which one must have come first. I always got the feeling that Sifo-Dyas was killed for knowing too much.

 

Now, if in response to Obi-Wan's "I was under the impression that he was killed before that" Mace had said:

"You're right. I don't know who placed the order, but it could not have been Sifo-Dyas".

then it would have been clear that it was the Sith. But Mace doesn't say anything like that.

 

Either give the Jedi more lightsaber colors or give blue and green distinct meanings.

 

I would have definitely kept Darth Maul in at least the first 2, maybe all 3, and have Obi-Wan kill him after a fierce sabre battle.

 

Why would they need meanings? We know from Ilum that the crystals that formed naturally just came out as blue, green and purple.

 

That wasn't in the movies. A movie shouldn't depend on tie-in material to explain things.

 

TCW isn't tie-in material. It's part of the story. The more simple answer is blue, green and purple is for good and red is evil. Further, blue doesn't show up against blue sky and bright sunlight. Green does. Purple was for Sam Jackson who was good friends with Lucas. Red was just for evil's sake.

 

Some, like me don't buy into that.

 

I don't know if I have much of a right to say anything being a Star Wars newb and all, but, I'm going to share what I would have liked to have seen vaguely.

Episode I - The Jedi Trials (would showcase Anakin Skywalker as a teenager, angry towards his past as a slave but who is extremely gifted in his talents though he may take things too far at times. He is mentored by Obi Wan Kenobi who has taken a liking to the boy despite his edgy disposition. I would want this to be an up-and-coming sort of story that doesn't focus too much on the broad stuff but focuses more on the character of Anakin.)

Episode II - The Force Unbalanced (largely inspired by The Clone Wars episodes 15-17 in seasons 3 [Overlords; Altar of Mordis; Ghosts of Mordis] would take place several years after Episode I. Essentially, Anakin and his newly appointed Padawan Ahsoka Tano would be on their first independent mission given to them by the Jedi Council to escort the newly introduced Padme Amidala on a peace-treaty mission of her own. Meanwhile, Obi-Wan would be pretty much doing some of the same things he did in AOTC as far looking into the clone production. Anakin, Ahsoka, and Padme would be trapped on Mordis the majority of the movie while Obi-Wan dealt with Clones and later searching for the missing Anakin, Ahsoka, and Padme. Anakin and Padme would not be "love at first sight" cheesy, but there would be conflict between their ideals, one as a Jedi, the other as a Politician.]

Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (yes I kept the original title. There isn't a whole lot that would need to be changed imo on the movie except for things to align up more properly with the previous two movies I listed above. The biggest thing that would need to be done with this would be to have a better written flow of events, dialogue, and character growth. Take out the "boo-hoo" cry-baby Anakin Skywalker and put in someone who is confident in his ability but conflicted in his purpose, especially after some eye-opening events on Mordis in the previous movie.]

Obviously there are a great deal of details that would need to be added, I just added the essentials of what I would like to have seen in the prequel trilogy. The reason I took much inspiration from the Clone Wars tv show is because I felt there was more of a rich production of story-telling as compared to the prequel trilogy.

IDK, as a newbi, did I do alright? lol

 

But the question remains, why is Obi-Wan's "I was under the impression that he was killed before that" even IN the film? Is it to tell us that Sifo-Dyas really did this or to suggest that the army is ordered under a false name?

Also Mace says "No, WHOEVER placed that order.." He doesn't use Sifo-Dyas name. Nor does he ask Obi-Wan for more info. Like "Are you sure? When exactly was this order placed?" And Obi-Wan doesn't ask for any confirmation either. Like asking, "This order was placed on the 5th of May 1999 and I think Sifo-Dyas was killed on the 3rd of march 1999, is this the correct date?" A very simple thing to ask for. And yet this doesn't happen.
So what is the filmmaker trying to say here?

We also learn that Jango has never heard of Sifo-Dyas, odd. He was hired by a Tyrannus, whom we later learn is Dooku. A former Jedi, now Sith. He works with Palpatine/Sidious and their plan is to start a war.
So if Dooku posed as the dead Sifo-Dyas and ordered the army, hired Jango and deleted the Kamino file, then everything fits.
If we assume for some reason that Sifo-Dyas really did order the army then more questions arise. Why did he do this, how did he pay for this, how did the Sith learn of this, how was Jango accepted as the template and so on.

Since the movies doesn't give a totally 100% clear, no possibility for objection answer, then either we have an unresolved plot thread. Or if we simply go with what is in the film and base our conclusion of that, then Dooku is the most likely alternative.

Bye for now.
The Guarding Dark

 

I still think they should of explained the theory behind becoming a force ghost too. To put in a throw away couple of lines towards the end of ROTS was disappointing.

 

I think it's to tell us that Obi-Wan was under an impression.

 

Which is good to know, because then audiences are rest assured that the Jedi subsequently followed up on the matter...............(end sarcasm)

 

Indeed.
And the filmmaker puts this line into the film. And the reason is to tell the audience something.
He also tells the audience that the template for the clone army was not hired by this "Sifo-Dyas", instead he was hired by someone else. Which we later learn is Dooku, a former jedi, now Sith.
This filmmaker also had a scene at the end where the sith talk about their plans and how things are going as they wanted.
This filmmaker also had the shooting script say in no uncertain terms that the clone army was ordered under a false name and the Sith were implicated.

So, why are all this IN the film?
Is it a) to tell the audience that not all is as it seems and the Sith are pulling the strings and there are things fishy with the Clone army?
Or b) to say that Obi-Wan is a dumb-ass, who doesn't know what he is talking about and we should ignore what he says and the Clone army was clearly ordered by Sifo-Dyas and there is absolutely nothing fishy about this in any way what so ever and why would this even be brought up later?

More seriously, if a filmmaker puts something in a film it is to tell the audience something. Because the audience can not know what the characters are thinking or read the mind of the filmmaker, they can only know what is shown onscreen and what is said by the characters. And having the characters say the absolute opposite of what the filmmaker is trying to tell the audience is not a very good way to make a film. So I think these lines were in the films for a reason and that reason was to imply that there is something fishy about the clone army and the order was in all likelihood placed under a false name.
The lack of later follow up and order 66 and the clones using Palpatines Sith title of "My Lord" seals the deal to me.
It does leave the question of, who does the Jedi think ordered the army?
Do they think it really was Sifo-Dyas, if so why?
If they think that it wasn't him, then why are they so at ease with said clone army?

Bye for now.
Old Stoneface

 

Which part? Good and evil symbolism? So, what, Lucas is lying when he said that? The fact is that that the colors went through a series of changes at the start. First draft they were all red like a laser beam. Then pearl white in the second draft. By the third they were all blue, including Vader's. This carried over to the fourth draft, but was changed to red in the final film. That's why all four Sith Lords have red blades and why every Jedi Knight has blue, green and Mace has purple. Lucas even says it in the behind the scenes videos of AOTC. It's not rocket science.

 

No, symbolism is fine I simply don't read what he presents the way he intends and that's simply a fact.

 

Why can it not just be that the usual method the jedi use to create their 'sabres only give blue and green "blades"?

 

While possible, if that's true, that should be explained in the movie itself, not other canon material.

 

Why?

 

Because you shouldn't have to read or watch something else in order to understand a movie.

 

Oddly, the "Red is Evil, Green is Good" trope is reversed for starship weaponry. The Imperials fire green laser and turbolaser bolts, the Rebels red.

And during the Clone Wars, the Republic fired blue bolts (and the Confederacy red).

 

But why do you feel that they should need to explain why some jedi have green and other have blue lightsabres?