ST Rey & Kylo Ren in Episode IX

Rey and Finn was united at the end of TLJ so it make sense that they will start together in the next, but I doubt they will stick to each other like bandage, so there will be time for her to have scenes with Kylo. But not sure they will spend time studying ancient books?

 

I doubt the texts are that important as fans are giving them credit for.
They were just a way to show that there’s more to the force than our Jedi from the PT and OT believed.
They are not gonna waste time on reading textbooks, they have bigger issues to deal with anyway.

Regarding Rey and Finn being together, they will be, just not the whole time.
Rey Finn relationship is not the focus here, Rey Kylo relationship is the story here and it will be the centerpiece of 9.
Kylo’s backstory is going to be revealed in 9. So I think Rey will spend most of her time with Kylo and discover what really happened in his past.

 

Yes, no doubt Rey and Finnwill play a role together like they did in TFA. The actors are on the record that hey are excited to be working together.

But that doesn’t mean they are going to be joined at the hip for the full film. In fact if that is what some are expecting, they should be prepared to be disappointed.

She carries the Force story with Kylo. Yes, she will start off with her friends telling the resistance story—much like the OT3 is together at the beginning of ROTJ because of the secondary story (Han’s rescue and their collective reunion with the Rebellion.)

And no, I’m not drawing predicted parallels specifically to ROTJ. I’m pointing out how a pivotal character weaves between the simultaneous stories unfolding.

As the Force story takes center stage in act two and into act three, Rey will likely peel away from Finn, et al as we know that the Force story is about Rey and Kylo. That will be the lion’s share of her interface with main characters at that point.

And since we all know good will prevail. The denouement will likely involve some sort of reunification with her friends again.

That isn’t ship preferences. That is the skeleton of her role in the films.

 

What I wan to know is what was/is JJ Abrams original intention with Rey and Kylo's relationship in this series? Has it changed with what the last Jedi movie has done or just enforced his original plans?

On a different note, rumors are going around now that Rey's mom might be Mara because they are casing a "Mara"! Giggles. If they keep with the legends then the romance slant with reylo would be awkward....to say the least.

 

Sneaky.

Could be, although seeing as there are no candidates at the moment and zero evidence to speculate further, I think that gets filed under "wait for the movie to reveal."

 

They played that bad joke on poor Luke in ROTJ. To repeat that on poor Kylo would be lame.

BTW I thought Disney said that the Thrawn trilogy wasn't canon. Is it now? I'm beginning to lose count on what's canon and what's not...

 

I think that RJ switched around some of the story beats of the ST from what was originally intended, but the backstory remained the backstory. In fact, most of the backstory was sketched out before JJ even came onboard (RJ only “added some”), which suggests to me that LFL considered it important enough not to simply let the directors make up from wholecloth.

Beyond that...it might depend on just how much of a starting point GL’s ideas were.

 

Mara thing is just a codename, Finn and Rey had codenames too. I actually think its more likely to be a Leia recast for flashback scenes or something.

Saw this Mark Hamill interview, one interesting thing - he says it made sense to kill Snoke so in episode 9 the conflict is between Rey and Kylo Ren without him getting in the way.

A big hint that in Ep9 Rey and Kylo will be the centre piece (that was obvious to me anyway)

https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/201...edi-snoke-and-possible-episode-ix-return.html

Not sure if this has been posted. Its from SW Insider 2018 Special Edition, but Adam Driver talks about how he's kind of always known how Kylos story will play out, JJ told him the beats of it early on.

 

Yes, we see Ben’s hilt in TLJ; so it would be odd for him to keep that but use another crystal…. @Dragon Jedi posted the name; Star Wars Lightsabers: A Guide to Weapons of the Force.
Ugh, I can’t find the snippet I saw the other day but am looking & will post when I do! Since he's on the Story Group his info would be directly from the sources.
It was also mentioned by one of the TLJ art directors(?) in a making of that they intentionally added more yellow to his saber in 8.

I thought so! Thank you!

 

Fair enough. And I won’t be able to reread the last page in the thread because I didn’t read it to begin with.

I shouldn’t have waded in when I did, to be perfectly honest, as my comments were made without an awareness of the context of the discussion. My bad.

I simply can’t help but comment when web-based stats are raised in Star Wars-related arguments. It’s like an instinctual flinch.

 

I think a structure like that is almost inevitable, unless JJ chooses to tell a very different story. Although I am firm'y anti-Reylo, there is no doubt at all that Rey and Kylo must have a final reckoning. Their fates are intertwined, and she most certainly be a key factor in his ultimate fate one way or another.

 

As far as we know the Thrawn trilogy is NOT canon. But that doesn't mean they won't pull in elements of it. I'm not a Mara Jade fan, so I hope that's not being pulled in, but we'll see.

 

Ugh, I had totally misunderstood that line in the novel as Rey not needing the sacred texts. I feel trolled.

 

The only pre-Disney stuff that's still canon are the original six movies, the CGI Clone Wars TV show and the Dark Horse comic miniseries Darth Maul: Son of Dathomir (canonized solely because it was an adaptation of un-produced Clone Wars episodes). (All the un-produced Clone Wars episodes that haven't been released in story reel form or adapted to other media are also ostensibly canonical, at least in terms of events.) Everything else falls under the Legends banner and is completely non-canon period.

The tricky thing is, is that canon liberally borrows stuff from Legends; anything from bits of world building to specific planets, gadgets, and (sometimes) characters (non-character stuff is more likely to get re-canonized, but sometimes characters are, like when Thrawn himself was incorporated into the Rebels TV show). There are some confusing points, like the Tarkin novel making reference to elements from Darth Plaguis (both were written by James Lucino), or how the From a Certain Point of View had a full-on sequel to the Legends novel Kenobi (also written by the same authors). However, in all cases, only the stuff that gets mentioned in the canon source itself is re-canonized; the Legends source borrowed from is still non-canon (even if it's strongly implied that the overall source material is more or less how it happened).

It's probably best to look at canon Star Wars as something of a remake; it will remix old ideas from the franchise and give then new spins, but there is zero narrative connections to the source material in-universe.

Okay, I missed that.

Makes sense.

I will have to watch for that when I see the movie again.

 

Kylo killing Snoke and becoming the ruler of the galaxy was the best part and plot point of TLJ.
It brought the focus on our big bad Skywalker Kylo Ren and what he will do next.
It really made Kylo and ST unpredictable and unprecedented.
He diverged from Vader and his ultimate fate.
A skywalker finally on top is exactly what ST needed.
It was a really great twist. Fans didn’t expect that at all.

And Kylo Rey were the centerpiece of TFA and TLJ, they will obviously be the focus of 9 as well.

And yup, Adam Driver always knew Kylo’s story arc since the start. That’s why he signed the movie in the first place bcoz it’s a really complex character and has a really amazing story.
Kylo’s story is actually the first thing that was created by GL.
Jedi Killer’s dual nature of light and dark is the primary focus of the ST and the crux of the force as a whole. It’s very important for the whole Star Wars universe. It’s all planned since the start by GL himself.

Also Daisy Ridley knew about Rey’s story and her parentage since the start as well. Rey being a no one, was planned by GL. JJ and RJ didn’t do anything about it.
It was already decided before they came on board.
And Daisy has said that Rey’s parentage haven’t changed. She was always a no one and there’s a reason for that.

I know people think that they have no plan and they are making it as they go. But they are not.
Big and important plot points are set in stone. The directors are here to tell their story around those plot points.

A lot of effort is put in making movies and planning stories, specially in a big franchise like Star Wars. It’s not as easy as fans like to think. Every little thing that we get on camera is planned, debated, discussed and edited several times by several people involved in the process. No one person is in charge. (So no Rian alone didn’t ruin Star Wars, it was a collective filmmaking process) They can’t make up stories as they go because hints are planted in advance in several media like movies, books, animated series etc.

If people pay attention to the hints being planted in these movies and other media like books, comics etc. They can easily figure out where this story is going.
And I really think that some people have already figured it out.

Sorry for the rant.

 

Yeah, no.

 

I never for one second thought that they made it up as they go along, not in a big franchise like SW (and Disney), and that certain plot points was pre-planned and the creative freedom the writers got was to tell the story around the pre-planned plot points.

@ReyRandom AD is always so thoughtful and careful with his answers, but I figured he would know about the fate of the character and it seems JJ and KK told him from the start. He was the first actor to be cast and they really wanted him for the role, waited for him to accept.

 

Okay found one of the links... still looking for the blurb from Pablo's book; This is transcribed from their issue on TLJ (bolded talks about Kylo's saber);
American Cinematographer
https://ascmag.com/
The camera is set for a scene with Driver, whose character is pushed beyond the simple desire to emulate Darth Vader.

Rey (Daisy Ridley) seeks balance in the Force and within herself in the galactic adventure of Star Wars: The Last Jedi.

“Skellig is an extremely difficult place to shoot,” says Yedlin.“It’s almost inaccessible, and everything has to be hand-carried up many flights of stairs. In terms of production level, it’s camera on sticks, a doorway dolly, and lighting with small bounces and negative fill.”

Further complicating matters, the island is a UNESCO World Heritage site. Therefore, for Ahch-To’s expanded role in The Last Jedi, production designer Rick Heinrichs was tasked with re-creating the island location in other, significantly more accessible venues, including stage and back-lot sets at Pinewood. Yedlin notes, “We shot at Skellig for a couple of days, and then another 10 days of mostly daylight exteriors on various headlands on the north and west coasts of Ireland.”

“One of the key locations we chose was Sybil Head on the Dingle Peninsula, a very famous sheer set of rocky cliffs,” says Industrial Light & Magic visual-effects supervisor Ben Morris. “We built a very large set piece of the village where Luke lives. We scouted with drones beforehand to photograph it, and then reconstructed the whole thing in the computer with photogrammetry. That became the basis for planning how that location was going to work. We knew that any time the camera was looking south, for example, we’d be adding a cliff and an additional mountain via visual effects.”

A pivotal scene that takes place in Ahch-To’s Jedi village during a nighttime storm was staged on the Pinewood back lot, where the filmmakers sought an efficient and safe way to illuminate the set while inundating it with rain. “We wanted ‘moon boxes’ over the top of the set for a nice, soft overall glow,” Smith notes.“ “The rigging team put together four 40-by-40-foot frames rigged from large construction cranes.” The frames were lined with 1’-wide wooden battens — 40 battens across — each of which was fitted with a tungsten-balanced LED strip gelled with Mist Blue.“We ended up using a couple of kilometers of LED to pull off that trick,” the gaffer says.

The LEDs, Smith continues, “were IP-rated as not fully submersible, but they could take heavy rain no problem, which allowed the rain towers to go directly above our lights and basically pour right through the frames — the rain towers were 200 feet up in the air, and our lighting towers were only at 40 feet. It all worked really well.”

Star Tours - Pinewood Studios London

Mann leads me outside, and we cross the same field where, two years earlier, Starkiller Base’s snow-covered exterior and the desert planet Jakku’s sand-swept Tuanul village had been built for The Force Awakens. Now, the field is dotted with Ahch-To’s stone huts. A few weeks earlier, these same huts had been in various locations along the northern coast of Ireland, from Malin Head to Loop Head.

As we enter the hand-prop room, I’m struck by the attention that’s been paid to even the finest details among this collection, which includes Luke Skywalker’s and Kylo Ren’s lightsabers. Some of the lightsabers are hilt-only, while others are complete with LED “blades.” A prop master notes that cinematographer Steve Yedlin, ASC had specifically asked for the LEDs in Kylo’s saber blade to be a less-saturated red than what had appeared in The Force Awakens.

A bag labeled “Maz Kanata’s hand grenades” suggests the wizened space pirate has her hands full following the destruction of her castle in the last movie. An entire wall is filled with Canto Bight casino paraphernalia, including decks of sabacc playing cards and piles of chips inscribed with Aurebesh, the written alphabet of the Star Wars galaxy.I also catch a glimpse of a weathered pile of books that I’m told are the ancient Jedi texts.

Actors John Boyega (playing Finn) and Kelly Marie Tran (Rose) arrive on the set to rehearse. Boyega sports a wardrobe similar to what he wore in The Force Awakens, though he’s noticeably traded hisstormtrooper boots for Resistance-issue footwear. He effortlessly switches between his native British accent, for chatting with Johnson and co., to Finn’s “American” accent, for onscreen dialogue.

We drive to a hillside about five minutes away from the stable set, and there it is: a complete, full-scale Millennium Falcon on a picture-perfect re-creation of where we last saw it, on Ahch-To, at the conclusion of The Force Awakens. The ship’s scope is truly breathtaking. It’s the height of a twostory building, and its diameter is the length of a semitruck. Every last surface detail has been painstakingly reproduced. The boarding ramp is down, and I can’t resist the urge to bound up and peek inside. I quickly see that save for the cockpit, the interior is actually just a framework of structural supports.

Stepping away from the Falcon, I climb the stone staircase Rey ascended in search of Luke Skywalker. As I look toward the cliff top, I spot a detail that wasn’t seen in The Force Awakens: an eerie, skeletal tree that appears to have recently burned. I turn and look back down at the Falcon, which looks like it could blast off at any second.

As the story continues, stormtrooper-turned-hero Finn (John Boyega) and Resistance starfighter technician Rose (Kelly Marie Tran) embark on a secret mission to the casino city of Canto Bight on the planet Cantonica. The setting was realized with exterior and interior sets at Pinewood and Longcross, along with location work on Stradun, the main street in Dubrovnik, Croatia. Yedlin scouted the Stradun location, but left the actual shooting of that sequence to his longtime friend and 2nd-unit cinematographer, Jaron Presant.

The action ultimately shifts to the mineral world Crait, where the Resistance makes a desperate stand using antiquated Rebel Alliance ski speeders against the First Order’s mighty AT-M6 walkers. Much of the sequence was realized via visual effects
that incorporated plate photography captured at the world’s largest salt flat, Salar de Uyuni in Bolivia.“The hexagon pattern that you see on the salt flat is really there in Bolivia, so we went there for a few days and did wide shots and plates for the speeder-cockpit shots,” Yedlin notes. “We also did a few shots there with guys in trenches to help connect the characters to the massive landscapes.” Most of the Crait scenes involving principal actors were shot “on a huge set that Rick built on the Paddock Tank at Pinewood, with smaller localized action on stages,” the cinematographer adds.

For The Last Jedi’s lightsabers, Yedlin explains, “We went more with the traditional muted colors from the original trilogy compared to The Force Awakens, where the blades were a little more saturated, straight-on primary colors. We found the colors we liked by blending the RGB LED tape inside the sabers’ blades — but that’s mostly just for the interactive light, because the visual-effects team composited-in the ‘actual’ sabers.”
— Noah Kadner

 

I liked TLJ quite a bit, but was underwhelmed by the cinematography, to be honest. My expectations from RJ and Yedlin were too high perhaps, as I’ve enjoyed their past work in this area a lot. Ultimately, I think they tried too hard to stylistically connect with TFA, which led to a less auterish, and more standard blockbuster, look. And, surprisingly for me, it didn’t even look as good as TFA. Apart from some scenes on Ahch-to, and the Throne Room climax, which were beautiful.

My fingers are crossed for a visually interesting IX. Something tells me JJ will want to try to make this one his masterpiece, so I’m hopeful.

 

It's okay, I understand! I actually agree with you about web-based stats. I even don't view the info I posted as real "stats", it's just the only way right now to show somehow that something is quite popular by GA. I just think that it's better argument than "my family\my kids\my coworkers think this and that". Considering that a lot of people usually less invested in discussing\sharing things they love and very invested in discussing\sharing something about things they hate.

 

I only got it because the German translation was less ambiguous about it (and less ironic, of course)

 

What I find interesting is the force users are in a way, both in the middle of their journeys, not one ending or just beginning like the last two sagas. It opens up many ideas and journeys we haven't seen before. Everyone in the cast are in the middle of finding out who they are and it's exciting.

 

Another prequel trilogy then! Yay!

 

Found it @WebLurker !!

Excerpt:
Kylo Ren
Analysis
On either side of the main blade emitter are a pair of quillon emitters, that vent excess energy from the overstressed kyber crystal into a pair of smaller crossguard blades.

Notes
At the heart of Kylo Ren’s lightsaber is a cracked kyber crystal, which produces its unstable fiery blade. In many ways, the blade mirrors Kylo Ren’s intense and volatile personality. With each deadly swipe, the lightsaber blade leaves a trail of embers. The quillon emitter guards protect Kylo’s hands from the crossguard blades.

Hilt Length : 29.8 centimeters (11.73")
Hilt Width : 14 centimeters (5.51")
Material : Heat-hardened industrial alloy
Blade Color : Fiery red-yellow

Book Description:
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