ST Rey's Various Abilities Discussion Thread

If she has no Jedi training and lived in isolation her whole life, how does she even know to try the Jedi mind trick?

Sorry if this was covered already, but I didn't see a thread like this when I searched for it.

Mod Edit: I have renamed this thread as a catch-all for discussing Rey's force abilities and use in TFA.

 

Well this mind trick is successfully and most notedly associated with one particular character and that's Obi Wan Kenobi. it could be a hint there about where she comes from.

Ren shows no ability to do this particular thing, it seems to come totally from within herself.

 

because the story required it

I don't know what a mind trick is, half an hour ago I wasn't sure Jedi n the Force were even real. But I need to escape...
KABAAAMMM!
"You will unbind me and leave the cell door open"

 

The story required it but it also draws parallels to other characters who have used this. I refuse to see this story as just a story with no call backs and no depth to it. Otherwise it would be awful.

 

You hit the nail on the head

 

So you're saying that this movie has no depth?

I doubt it would have been so successful if it had no depth of character and call backs.

 

The only call backs are self referential winks, and no, not one character in TFA has depth.
And I'm saying it is awful.

 

Lol ok then, each to their own. I think it's fantastic.

 

Oh ... Are we doing this again? If we do this right we can blaze back into the Mary Sue thing and get a jillion posts. Personally I am going back to research all the older threads from about December 19, 2015 on and do copy and paste. In the meantime, short version: Rey isn't Luke. No one knows the mind trick rules or if it is inherent with someone who is sensitive to the force or can only be trained. No one saw Yoda train Luke in doing the Mind Trick, yet he tries. We never really see much of Luke's training anyway, and he certainly did not go through any long padawan stage, just a couple of visits to Dagobah.

Mind tricks are many times not successful (ask Jabba and Watto).

Yes, it is different from the way Luke begins to utilize the Force, but their backgrounds and stories are completely different.

Rey does other things without training not knowing how she did them. It is a theme in the movie, as she lets in the Force.

It works in the film for a couple of reasons: it is another manifestation of Rey's awakening after the mind probe episode, and gives Daniel Craig something to do.

 

she got that ability from kylo ren head
here pablo hidalgo tweet kind of confirmed it
https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/681376638962016256

 

Who uses them successfully in this franchise though? Obi Wan and then later Rey.

 

The scene would of worked better by other options.
1. Let Finn and Han save her
2. Be consistent with her scavenger character and make Rey escape by using a hidden pin inside her sleeve.
3. Rey starts to struggle to get out which cause her surrounding to float (showing that she has inner potential) with that she levitates the key to unlock herself.

The Jedi mind trick although it was an enjoying scene at the moment, thinking back... It doesn't really make sense...

 

You are right, that moment with the mind trick does not make sense..not narratively anyway. It would make sense later if the reveal is that she is a Kenobi.


I think they chose not to have Finn or Han save her because she is the hero not the damsel in distress of the story. A hero would get himself out of trouble, not need to be saved by a woman, they flipped the trope in it's head.

 

Both on weak minded Stormtroopers. Ah ... is there a pattern?

 

I think she had previous Jedi training that is coming back to her...

 

And Luke in RotJ... Bib Fortuna

 

Is it possible perhaps that after the mind probe, it unlocked some of her previous training (assuming there was training in her background that was suppressed).

 

i think the problem with that theory is in the force vision flashback when she been put in jakku Rey too young to have been trained as a jedi . But it could be false/implanted memory thought

 

What does he do?

 

It's the first scene in that compilation.

 

And Qui-Gon on Boss Nass in TPM.

 

Yeah but that was a failure and did not work, did it work when Luke did it in Return of the Jedi?

EDIT yes it worked when luke did it.

 

It did work on Boss Nass buddy. "We could use a speeder" (waves hand)

And yes, it works for Luke as Bib had been instructed to not let Luke in, and then Jabba even states that Bib is a weak minded fool.

 

I feel like it's more associated with Obi Wan though, I totally forgot that Luke did it but always remember Obi Wan doing it.

 

Qui-Gon uses it twice on Nass, then tries to use it later on Watto.

I think this suggests that the mind trick is a common Jedi trick, especially considering that Jabba the Hutt is clearly familiar with the technique.