ST Rian Johnson to write and direct Episode VIII (and also new SW Trilogy - see page 194)

It's doing a disservice to both Finn and Rey. And it's not needed. Why is it that, as soon as we get a female main hero, NOW we suddenly have to do a love triangle (when they've never done it before)? Really how cliché can you get?

 

If they do that I'll tear my own head off so I won't have to watch it or listen to anyone talk about it. Rey is so much better than that and Finn is as well.

 

Lol, Kylo's shuttle gets shut down, he's stranded with our heroes on some forsaken planet, and they all have to play Survivor/Lost (another JJ Abrams creation!) together while Luke plays therapist on how to get over your sister/cousin. More likely though is that Kylo turns out like the bear attacking DiCaprio in The Revenant.

I have noticed that romantic love does come into play as a protagonist motivation in Rian's movies. Who knows? Maybe the romance element will come from flashbacks of Luke's wilder days. The Very Lonely Luke twitter account is making me feel seriously bad for the dude.

 

I meant more that the Finn-equivalent character is a complete wet blanket. But I do agree with you on the love triangle thing.

 

As Rian showed the Ep. 8 crew Letters Never Sent to get them accustomed to his style, here are a few great clips from the film which might give you a sense of what Rian may do in terms of certain shots/ compositions.





I think we're in for a visual treat, at the very least.

 

Is there more than one JabbatheHumanBeing?

 

Just responding to your hypothetical "if you ask me."

 

Yeah. Your curt response was unnecessary.. as you can now appriciate.

 

You said, about Luke in the promo shot:

I simply found it impossible to take that comment seriously.

 

There's some of it with Luke, Han, and Leia, although it's not given a lot of narrative attention.

 

Not really. There's a bit of attraction between Luke and Leia in ANH, but nothing ever goes anywhere. Han spends most fo the movie being mean to her, and her to him. His only hint of attraction is a brief basically hypothetical "what if" scenario, which is quickly shot down by Luke.

Then of course by the time of ESB, the writers are all in on Han/Leia, and Luke is basically removed as a possibility (and no, the kiss doesn't count because that was clearly a "I'm ticked at Han and want to try and make him jealous" type of deal, nothing more).

It's only a "love triangle" if you REALLY stretch the definition of the word. This sounds like it'd be more of a full-on love triangle, which again DO NOT WANT!!

 

I wouldn't necessarily call it a love triangle, what if it's more like a battle for Rey's soul? Her battling temptation to the dark side from Kylo, while Finn would be there on the other side desperately trying to convince her to come back to the light.

It would place this poster in better context

Spoiler

 

Nope, still don't like it. I just don't care for the idea that she's "up for grabs" between two men in her life in ANY way. Don't like it AT ALL!! That's just so freaking cliché, and of course the female lead would have to endure that crap, which is even more cliché.

 

You're looking at it from the love triangle point of view. That's not what I wrote. If Kylo wants Rey as his new apprentice, how will he accomplish that? By bringing her over to the darkside. When she got into Kylo's head and when she slashed his face, she was using the dark side. The novels confirms it. It would make sense that the dark side will play a major role in Rey's character going forward.

 

Not so sure above that. The "perceived" love triangle does indeed feature across all three films. In ANH, Luke encourages Han to not pursue Leia given his own attraction to her. In ESB, Leia makes Han jealous by kissing Luke on the lips in front of him. In ROTJ, Han believes that Luke and Leia love each other romantically until the end, when Leia reveals that they're siblings.

So while I really don't want a love triangle in the ST, as I feel it would diminish Rey (and I don't like them as a narrative device) the OT definitely had a "love triangle lite."

 

No I'm not.

what if it's more like a battle for Rey's soul? Her battling temptation to the dark side from Kylo, while Finn would be there on the other side desperately trying to convince her to come back to the light.

I don't like her, or her "soul," being reduced to a prop for the two young attractive men in her life to "battle over." In ANY way, not just romantic. It's so freaking cliché and typical.

 

Then how else is she going to be tempted to the darkside? Snoke and Kylo have to be involved in her temptation don't they?

 

Have you guys seen this?

Rian is being sued by his former agent over his Star Wars paycheck... selfish, selfish me is annoyed because I don't want Rian to be preoccupied by anything other than making a great film.. (and Hollywood is vicious).

http://variety.com/2016/film/news/star-wars-rian-johnson-lawsuit-former-agent-1201734203/

 

Well, you know, preoccupations and hardship can sometimes drive an artist to make an even better film...so I wouldn't worry just yet.

 

True .. but the timing is not great though at least we know now that Rian was being courted by KK as far back as 2012..

 

People do petty things when someone's makes it big and they think they deserve more. Either way Rian has an attorney that will do the heavy lifting with this. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets thrown out before he really has to do anything.

 

It could inspire a rewrite. Rey sues Kylo for false imprisonment. Kylo counter sues Rey for mental abuse and defamation of character. Kylo sues Luke for breach of contract. Hux sues Snoke for on the job discrimination. The possibilities are endless.

 

wut???

LUKE
So... what do you think of her, Han?

HAN
I'm trying not to, kid!

LUKE
(under his breath)
Good...

HAN
Still, she's got a lot of spirit. I
don't know, what do you think? Do
you think a princess and a guy like
me...

LUKE
No!

Luke says it with finality and looks away. Han smiles at
young Luke's jealousy.

-----------------------------
LEIA
My...! Why, you stuck up,... half-
witted... scruffy-looking ...nerf-
herder!

HAN
Who's scruffy-looking?
(to Luke)
I must have hit pretty close to
the mark to get her all riled up
like that, huh, kid?

Leia looks vulnerable for a moment, then the mask falls again, and she focuses
on Luke.

LEIA
Why, I guess you don't know
everything about women yet?

With that she leans over and kisses Luke on the lips. Then she turns on her
heel and walks out, leaving everyone in the room slightly dumbstruck. With some
smugness, Luke puts his hands behind his head and grins.

 

I personally don't consider that to be a "proper" love triangle. By the time that things really start getting serious with Han and Leia (IE not a single, throwaway "what if" scenario that gets quickly shot down) in ESB, Luke is pretty much completely out of the picture as far as potential LI for Leia goes. And even the kiss was part of her attraction to HAN, to make him jealous/annoyed,

That's quite different than doing a more full-on love triangle between Rey, Finn, and Kylo.

 

Twilight and The Hunger Games called. They said enough with the love triangles already!

Here's to Rey being Mary Tyler Moore and not needing to be defined by a man/boyfriend.