Amph On Earth, Everyone Can Hear You Scream: The Prometheus / Alien Discussion Thread (Romulus)

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Edit; Watch a film enough times and you pick up new things. The crew wakes up and are sitting for their first meal and Ripley makes a negative comment about cornbread which might refer to the line from Aliens, "I guess she doesn't like the cornbread either."

 

So I went to try and find a map of the Alien galaxy and instead found:

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?Yeah, so there you have that. I was always amazed that, I mean, I?ve only done two science-fictions ['Alien' and 'Blade Runner'], but I was always amazed that no one asked who the hell the Space Jockey was. He wasn?t even called the Space Jockey. During the film they started to call it the Space Jockey. I don?t know who started that one off. I always thought it was amazing that no one ever asked who he was, and why was he there? What was all that about? I sat thinking about this for a while and thought, well, there?s a story! And the other four ['Alien' films] missed it! So, here it is.

?? I think one of the reasons why I?ve never gone back to science-fiction, even though I?ve often noodled around, thought about it, looked for story, looked for material, is that there?s a nice purity to the original ?Alien?. It?s fairly pure. And ['Prometheus'] does actually raise all kinds of other questions, because if someone could, a being, could be as monstrously clever to create something like we experienced in the very first one [ie. the 'Alien' xenomorph] ? I always figured it?s a weapon, and I always figured that [the ship in the first 'Alien'] was a carrier of weapons. Therefore, who is that, inside that [Space Jockey] suit? That wasn?t a skeleton, that was a suit. And if you open up the suit, what do you get inside it? And why were they going, where were they going??

?The original ?Alien? was a pretty savage engine. I?ve always said it was a C-movie done in an A-way. Because it was the Old Dark House, you know. Seven people in the Old Dark House, and they?re all going to die. (He laughs) And they?re gonna die horribly and that in itself is a tricky exercise, because you can do it well, you can do it badly. But somehow that worked. It turned out pretty well.

?? Things have changed so dramatically [since then] that you can start looking at the idea that all our history can be completely wrong and misguided. Because at some point someone has to put a statement down and have their own thesis, have their own theories. That was then later accepted or later is gradually dissolved and re-drawn or reworked. So now you?ve got the whole changed attitude with NASA, the church and I think even [Stephen] Hawking. Over the last thirty years have gone from ?It?s highly unlikely that there?s anyone else in our galaxy, any other force, being in our galaxy,? to now, where they?re conceding that there are probably thousands of different lifeforms in this galaxy. And I think Hawking actually said, ?Let?s hope they don?t visit.? And I think the church has conceded as well that it would not be against the word of God if we conceded that there are other lifeforms in this galaxy.

?So, if you take that out, then the door is open. To me, it?s entirely logical. It?s entirely ridiculous to believe that we are the only ones here. That?s why my first thought is that for us to be sitting here right now is actually mathematically impossible without a lot of assistance. Who assisted? Who made the right decisions? Who was pushing and pulling to adjust us? That?s a fair question [that is partially explored in 'Prometheus'].?

--Scott

And:


Lastly, Scott had the following to say about whether or not the ?original? xenomorph from Alien appears in Prometheus:

?Absolutely not. They squeezed it dry. He (the xenomorph) did very well. (He laughs) He survived, he?s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!?

 

Fan-art map, but a map nontheless.

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I'm guessing a lot of the names not associated with the movies are all from the Alien and Predator novels and comics.

 

Oh, I like that.

I am not sure how much I'll look stuff up or hit this thread as it will start getting spoilerish.

 

Aw, dammit, did I miss another poll? I could not wait for the Aliens to reach Earth. After all the tie-in novels describing such an event, the nearest we got prior to AvP was a bit of the upper atmosphere at the end of Alien: Resurrestion, so I love AvP.
I wish Requiem, had been better, and not had the ending to Resident Evil: Apocalypse tacked onto the end, but AVP had enough elements of the Dark Horse graphic novel namesake to keep me happy.

I thought it was great.

 

I was watching Avatar the other night...and just from the technology alone, it looks like James Cameron accidentally(?) put Pandora in the Alien universe.
Firstly, you have the Dragon assault cruiser in Avatar which looks surprisingly like a much larger version of the Sulaco's drop ship. Also, just before the forest battle begins, pay attention to the motion trackers that the big mecha suits have....its the same screen design as Hudson's motion tracker.

So yeah, for better or for worse, accidental or otherwise, Avatar takes place in the Alien universe.

Imagine the possibilities.
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As I said I can watch he AvP movies but I am under no illussions concerning their quality.

AvP would have been better in "the future". There are 3 AvP novels that do that. If you wish to read them I will tell you that you do not in any way need to read book 2. Read 1 and 3. There was a publishing problem and also differentt authors and book 2 is not only bad but contradicts 1 and 3. Had those two books been filmed they would have been great, in the right hands of course.

 

http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2012/01/alien-vs-predator-chess-set/

 

New screencap and a look at a couple of Jockey suits (avert your eyes, Lee)

 

Very cool. Slightly bigger image.
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noomy and the space jockies

 

Seriously, one would think I insulted JTS's mother or something.

 

Headline reads:

"Do we know the fates of two characters in Ridley Scott?s Prometheus?"

Shall. Not. Click. I resist THEE!

 

The spoilers were very mild.

 

Big ol' Space Jockey info dump

Space Jockey Facts

- The Entire Space Jockey scene in Alien was almost scrapped due to the high price tag. Just the set cost a walloping $500,000 to create. But Scott fought, and the alien pilot stayed.

- The original Space Jockey is 27-feet tall.

- The Alien inspired book Original Sin by author Michael Friedman gave the Pilots the official name of Mala'kak.

- The Dark Horse Alien comic by Mark Verheiden paints the Space Jockeys as an evil race who want nothing more than to enslave the human race, but not until after they work together to beat the Xenomorphs. This never actually happens.



Also it notes the pyramid idea which finds its way into the AvP flick.

 

That actually sounds like AvP as well, only instead of enslaving, the Preds want to hunt.


EDIT -- Oh and my own speculation is that Idris Elba's character will die.
1. He's a black dude in a sci-fi movie by 20th Century Fox.
2. He's does not have a Sweet Cape.

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Sweet Cape present.


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Absence of Sweet Cape

 

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It's like a giant Cenobite face.

Slightly spoilerish blurb concerning Theron's character

 

This whole time I've been thinking it looks like the Dr. Channard from Hellbound.
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also lol

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Sounds interesting.

 

Oh damn. Damn. There is some viral marketing trailer out. Weyland stuff. Spoilers I bet. io9. Must...resist...

 

https://www.weylandindustries.com/

Are you hyped? I'm hyped.

 

that is weird.

 

Peter Weyland presentation on Youtube