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Amph Ridley Scott's Prometheus & Alien: Covenant

Discussion in 'Community' started by Whitey, Jul 30, 2009.

  1. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    Apparently in the novelization David admits he did not create the eggs.
     
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  2. ShaneP

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    Yep. Found an egg leftover from the Engineers and froze it to preserve it. He is trying to emulate their creation.
     
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  3. VadersLaMent

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    Did he say something like that in the film and I missed it?
     
  4. ShaneP

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    Nope. Ridley changed the script. It was in the script. Scott changed it. [face_plain] It would completely change the whole creator theme and was one I would have preferred.

    But it's pretty clear Ridley just wanted to cast aside as much of the Engineers as possible for this film and go all David/Walter. I just didn't care to think that David created protos/xenos from his own experiments. Better to have him chasing the Engineers creation and he creates his own nightmare.
     
  5. VadersLaMent

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    Well, does David then specifically state in the film that he created the eggs? If not it is still possible to use the idea that he just found it/them.
     
  6. BigAl6ft6

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    I read a random theory at the eggs are mutated / deformed / transformed Shaw's reproductive organs, yikes!

    I do like the theory that David was basically building off the backs of the black goo to Neomoprh to Xenomoprh textbook. He's snooty enough to SAY he created it but really he just sort of tinkered with a formula that was already there in the first place.
     
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  7. ShaneP

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    [face_thinking] I can't remember. I don't think he does. I think it is just implied. But the script originally showed the Engineers egg and David's comments about it and his own pursuit of their creation.

    Maybe Scott is leaving it open? But the film just casts aside the Engineers from the opening(literally) so I'm thinking he doesn't want to go in that direction at all.
     
  8. Deliveranze

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    Enjoyed the movie. Wasn't what I wanted but it was still a cool Sci Fi horror flick. I really hope Alien: Awakening gets made though. Prometheus was the best thing to happen to this franchise in years.

    Pros:

    - Just really beautiful cinematography
    - Great atmosphere
    - The Walter/David scenes
    - Intense action

    Cons:

    - Feels Prometheus in nature, but is a pretty run-of-the-mill/straightforward Alien film
    -Shaw, man. They really didn't treat her story right.
    - The action scenes had some really fast editing. Like jeez.

    Other than that, it was a fun experience. Glad I saw it.
     
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  9. The2ndQuest

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    It also had a few really great lines. I think my favorite would be
    "So, David, you're going to tell me exactly what's going on or I am going to seriously **** up your perfect composure."
     
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  10. The2ndQuest

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    Lindelof on where things may go from here:

    “I think that one of the conversations that we had at the end of ‘Prometheus’ is, Shaw and David have basically locked in on the coordinates of the planet where the Engineers came from. What does that place look like? Ridley called it Paradise. What happens when they land on that planet? It doesn’t feel like they’ve gotten there yet in ‘Covenant.’

    ‘Covenant’ felt like it maybe was a detour prior to them arriving at the place of origin so I don’t want to spoil any place that he might still be wanting to go, but the conversations that he and I had about where the story goes next were largely about the place where the Engineers were from and less the events of ‘Covenant’.”
     
  11. The2ndQuest

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    Scott still suggesting multiple films left to go before we reach Alien.

    We’re heading toward the back end of the first Alien so [using CG to utilize Ellen Ripley, the question of which this is a response to] may be feasible. I don’t think it’ll… but Ripley’s going to be somebody’s daughter. Obviously. We’re coming in from the back end. The time constraints, of what’s the time between this film, where we leave David going off heading for that colony, I think you’re probably two films out from even considering her.
     
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  12. Sith_Sensei__Prime

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    Yeah, but I don't know if there enough interest in the general movie going audience to flip the bill for these movies to go into production. Covenant grossed about $232 million globally, but only grossed about $73 million in North America with a production cost of $97 million. If Scott moves forward, he'll need to cut production cost and make a better film than Covenant.

    Personally, I'm not really a fan of making these films personally connected with the original films. Meaning, I really don't care for a relative of Ellen Ripley to be part of the next Alien film. It's not Star Wars where there's a need for a "Skywalker."

    On another note, I thought Covenant was a cop out of what was setup in Prometheus.
     
  13. The2ndQuest

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    Keep in mind that Covenant hasn't finished its global run yet- its final gross is expected to end up around $300m from estimates I've read (and that same article I linked to above also repeats).

    If that ends up being the case, AC will have performed almost identically to Prometheus relative to their budgets- the usual "green light a sequel" 3x multiplier milestone.
     
  14. BigAl6ft6

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    Covenant did get more critical love than Prometheus did and while the box office return wasn't spectacular it's not exactly a bomb. And I can't see Fox suddenly wanting to stop making Alien movie, especially if Scott is raring to keep making them. However, I do feel, and it probably will happen, the "David story" will probably wrap up in the next installment and all the "7 more movies!" stuff Scott keeps saying wouldn't be a thing.
     
  15. Darth Punk

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    the nicest thing i can say about this movie is that danny mcbride can act
     
  16. BigAl6ft6

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    I will say, McBride's character Tennessee is, shockingly, is probably the first genuine "trucker in space" we've gotten in the series since, like, the crew of the Nostromo in 1979.
     
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  17. Darthmaul208

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    But the other films didn't feature trucker in space characters?
     
  18. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost star 6

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    That is true but a huge part of the appeal of "Alien" is the average blue collar joe caught in a horrific alien nightmare, I'm kinda surprised it took them 6 more movies to get back to that.

    ... okay, fine, there were "normal folk" in Alien Vs Predator: Requiem but they weren't the space truckers, dangit.
     
  19. The2ndQuest

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    Well I think that was intentional though- the cast is always a different type of group: Alien had truckers, Aliens had soldiers, Alien 3 had criminals, Prometheus was scientists, AC is colonists, etc.
     
  20. Violent Violet Menace

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    I just came across this video and thought I'd share:

     
  21. TCF-1138

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    Alien: Resurrection had Joss Whedon characters.
     
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    1:20-1:26
     
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  25. The2ndQuest

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    So one more video was included on the BD (which I just got around to going through), "Advent":



    (The actual video in the disc is the footage on the right side by itself)

    It actually explains alot- or at least verifies a lot of things left otherwise vague.

    The deleted scenes included on the disc don't add much to the film- there's a few small moments here and there and a couple more Walter/Daniels setup. Cool little moment when they're first crossing the courtyard at night and they drop a flare down the central hatch to reveal another Juggernaught (maybe Walter can escape now? ). There is an extended version of the opening Weyland/David scene that is interesting- it basically has David go more into the fates and nature of the gods. Perhaps spells things out unnecessarily. Also a dream/flashback with James franco's character with Daniels on Earth, refining his design for their planned cabin.

    But, chronologically, there's nothing else past the egg chamber scene. Which is a shame. I was kinda hoping for more flashbacks dealing with Shaw or the Engineers or Weyland. Alas.

    Still going to try to edit together Prometheus and AC together into a single film. I'm certain I can get such a monster down to to 3.5 hours but I'm hoping to hit 3. Main trick will be finding more than the two obvious points in AC where one can jump back to Prometheus and regulate AC to being a frame story. But I already have some fun editing ideas... just need some free time.