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Amph Ridley Scott's Prometheus & Alien: Covenant

Discussion in 'Community' started by Whitey, Jul 30, 2009.

  1. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    Awesome really. Good grief, he just tore her apart. David essentially became Geiger.
     
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  2. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Scott talks the idea of the next film

    “I think the evolution of the Alien himself is nearly over, but what I was trying to do was transcend and move to another story, which would be taken over by A.I.’s. The world that the AI might create as a leader if he finds himself on a new planet. We have actually quite a big layout for the next one.”
     
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  3. gezvader28

    gezvader28 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Hell , I'll see any Ridley Scott SF movie , but I really don't know what the point of that last movie was .
     
  4. soitscometothis

    soitscometothis Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    If you paid money to see it, that was the point.
     
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  5. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    The extended opening scene on the BD spells it out more clearly, but it comes down to the "gods returning to Valhalla" and ultimately being as petty and flawed as the creations they shunned.
     
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  6. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost star 6

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    The Blu Ray also has more than a few nifty extra features, the main ones were released online as Last Supper and the Shaw / David bit (which really should have been in the movie) but I like the extra stuff, basically it's a message from David to Weyland Yutani that takes place after the film, David admits he's looking at making Daniels his "Queen". And there's a nifty bit of the crew undergoing psychological testing that is nicely random.

    Scott saying that he basically just wants to make David: The Wacky Android movie as a sequel is cool. Covenant may be the closest to an Alien origin that we get but it's really more about "How David went nuts and made a bunch of monsters". I'd argue it's more about him than anything, and he doesn't show up until about 30 minutes in.
     
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  7. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Yes, that’s the Advent short I mentioned/embedded.
     
  8. Dagobahsystem

    Dagobahsystem Force Ghost star 6

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    I love Alien: Covenant
    And the blu ray is awesome.
    Great special features. Ridley is the man.

    Find it hard to believe this wasn't a bigger hit, but I guess it's too scary for most movie fans to handle or something.

    It's certainly one of the best films of its type to be released in awhile. Same with Prometheus. Both films are gangbusters.
     
  9. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 9

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    By “of its type” do you literally only mean Alien movies that don’t star Sigourney Weaver? Because otherwise I’m struggling with calling this hot garbage “one of the best.”
     
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  10. Dagobahsystem

    Dagobahsystem Force Ghost star 6

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    No. By "of its type" I meant genre.

    Alien: Covenant and Prometheus are two of the best films to be released in this genre for awhile. That's what I meant. :)

    As for the franchise(s), my top 5 are:
    1. Alien
    2. Predator
    3. Aliens
    4. Alien: Covenant
    5: Prometheus

    How about you?
     
  11. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 9

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    1. Aliens
    2. Alien

    Honestly you should stop at this point. If you inisist, Resurrection and the original AvP are sort of watchable in that order.
     
  12. jp-30

    jp-30 Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    This, except swap 1 and 2.
     
  13. Dagobahsystem

    Dagobahsystem Force Ghost star 6

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    Honestly, not really. :)

    1. Alien
    2. Predator
    3. Aliens
    4. Alien: Covenant
    5. Prometheus
    6. Resurrection
    7. Predators
    8. Alien 3
    9. AvP
    10. Predator 2
    11. AvP: Requiem
     
  14. Sith_Sensei__Prime

    Sith_Sensei__Prime Chosen One star 6

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    I like Alien the best of the films because of the horror aspect of it and how it invented the biology and physiology of the Xenomorph; from the egg, face-hugger, gestation period, birth and adulthood. Alien combines the aspects of horror and science fiction so well. And the tagline sets up the mood of the film extremely well in that "In space no one can hear you scream." And because the horror element of Alien, I have more of an emotional connection to the film.

    Aliens and Predator are pretty much typical 80's blockbuster film.

    The rest of the franchise films are either trying to recreate the magic or just trying milk the cash cow of the franchise.
     
  15. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost star 6

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    If we're going to toss Predator franchise in here, honestly, the 1st Predator is a shockingly great film. Even the "Arnie and squad quipping while blowing up mercs" portion which actually works well because A) it has some great quips "you're hit! You're bleeding!" "Don't got time to bleed" B) it sets up these guys as sort of a typical 80s unbeatable action hero squad. Then the Predator shows up and does horrible, horrible things to each of them one at a time. And still there's some fantastic bits throughout the back half of the film with everyone going crazy in various ways. "Gonna have me some fun!"
     
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  16. dp4m

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    Yeah, I mean this is one of those things that can go either way, depending on your film tastes (and which decade of films you prefer cinema from, the 70s or 80s). If Fincher were allowed to have his own vision of Alien3 then that might even be in there too.

    But realistically, like all good arguments, there are cases to be made both ways -- like The Godfather / The Godfather, Part 2 or Star Wars / The Empire Strikes Back... unlike AvP, no matter who wins the above fight -- we win, because both are amazing.
     
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  17. Jabba-wocky

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    ESB is a terrible film.
     
  18. grd4

    grd4 Jedi Master star 4

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    What's with this "Stop with Aliens" poppycock? There's still two spellbinding hours of Charles Dance, Charles S. Dutton, and Sigourney Weaver acting their tails off.

    Alien (Haunted house horror)
    Aliens (War epic)
    Alien 3 (Existential gothica)

    Best trilogy ever.
     
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  19. Jabba-wocky

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    Alien 3 is some weird dystopian thing about sex offenders on a prison colony or something. No one in their right mind wants to watch that.
     
  20. LostOnHoth

    LostOnHoth Force Ghost star 5

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    Alien 3 was a deliberate 'back to basics' movie following the military hardware porn of Aliens.
     
  21. Dagobahsystem

    Dagobahsystem Force Ghost star 6

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    The 2003 Special Edition (Restored Workprint Version) of Alien 3 is the best version, imo. After seeing this one, I won't watch the theatrical any time soon.

    I do prefer the theatrical version of Alien though, as this is not only the best film in the franchise, it is one of the best films of all time. Equal to any SW film in quality.

    I still haven't watched James Cameron's 1991 Special Edition of Aliens. I love the original so much, never bothered to watch the SE.

    Anybody know if it is substantially different than the 1986 theatrical cut?
     
  22. The2ndQuest

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    I like the Aliens SE but I don't know if I'd say it's the definitive version. The three primary additions are: 1) a sequence at the colony before the outbreak that transitions to Newt's family finding the juggernaught and getting facehugged; 2) a scene of Ripley finding out about her daughter on Earth; & 3) A nifty little action sequence where several auto sentry guns are installed by the marines and we see them blasting the hell out of the xenos charging it as the marines & Ripley anxiously watch the ammo level numbers deplete from their fortified location. The xenos give up just before the last gun runs out- but this is what forces them into the ceiling vents.

    Some smaller additions, extensions or alternate takes are also present, but those are the main ones.

    EDIT- Oh, there's a nice small moment where Ripley and Hicks exchange first names too.
     
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  23. Dagobahsystem

    Dagobahsystem Force Ghost star 6

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    The2ndQuest

    Thanks! Well, apparently I've been watching the SE all along as I am very familiar with all of those scenes. Silly me. Ok, so now I need to rewatch the theatrical lol. :)
     
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  24. The2ndQuest

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    Yeah, I mean, honestly, the colony stuff probably isn't necessary but the daughter thing is good and I really enjoy the added sentry gun action so I typically just watch the SE too.
     
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  25. grd4

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    JabbaWocky: One of the things I love about Alien 3 is that the motivation of the core characters is no longer survival, but to take the Alien and the Company into the abyss with them. Many people find the movie insufferably bleak, but I find it all rather inspiring. Life is a losing proposition: the only victory we can draw is to die with meaning and a measure of grace. Consequently, Ellen Ripley is granted a death more noble and majesterial than any film genre hero. I'm glad we got this intimate apocalyptic tale than the Aliens vs. the Earth crap so many were hankering for.

    Re: Aliens: Special Edition. I'm not a fan of most of the new scenes (the Ripley/daughter revelation is too on-the-nose, and the colonist material undermines the intricate buildup), but the sentry gun scenes are incredible. So incredible that it bewilders me why Cameron expunged them from the theatrical--they're as deliriously tense as anything in the movie.