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Amph Ridley Scott's Prometheus & Alien: Covenant

Discussion in 'Community' started by Whitey, Jul 30, 2009.

  1. Violent Violet Menace

    Violent Violet Menace JCC Ravager star 5 Staff Member Manager

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    I think you'll find the official title of the movie is Alien to the third power.
     
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  2. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    It's pronounced "Alien Cubed". :-B
     
  3. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost star 6

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    I'd put Alien: Covenant a notch above Alien 3 (I really like both!) if only because Covenant gets so gleefully messy with the Neomorph stuff at the start. Alien 3 does have some pretty fantastic performances, though, maybe the most actor-ly installment of the series. But I agree the general consensus is Alien and Aliens (I like Aliens more but we're talking mere millimeters here) and then the next tier down is Alien 3, Covenant then another tier down is Prometheus then Alien Resurrection then the bottom tier is Alien vs. Predator and under that is AVP: Requiem.

    Even putting AVP: Requiem at the very bottom, there's still this one belly burster scene .... yikes!
     
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  4. TX-20

    TX-20 Jedi Master star 4

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    Alien: Episode III - Revenge of the Ripley
    Alien: The Battle of the Five Bald Guys
    Alien III - The Search for Spike
    Alien - Fiorina Drift
     
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  5. Dagobahsystem

    Dagobahsystem Force Ghost star 6

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    The original Alien film directed by Ridley Scott is the best in the franchise, imo.

    Aliens is great, but is not better than Alien.
    Alien is superior in terms of suspense, characterisation, set design, universe building, music, cinematography, acting performances, editing, models, lighting, and other intangibles like atmosphere and vibe.

    Aliens has advanced creature fx and many more of 'them', but that's about the only advantage it has, imo. Aside from Sigourney, the acting is not as good as the original cast. I won't go on, suffice it so say, Alien is an all time cinema masterpiece and Aliens is an all time classic.

    Anyhow, I know Alien and Aliens are always ranked neck and neck amongst the fans, and many prefer Aliens. Although I love both films, I've never understood why this is even a debate.
    Alien 10/10
    Aliens, generously, 9/10

    What do you think? I assume many disagree and that's fine. :)
     
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  6. gezvader28

    gezvader28 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    yeah , that's a question that'll never be resolved , but fun to talk about anyway .

    Alien of course deserves all the credit for the whole Alien look and ideas and type of world etc. the design and photography are 1st rate , plus the chestburster scene is such an iconic moment .

    Aliens is kinda quantity over quality , but man does it embrace that unashamedly , the last 40 minutes of that pic are just heart pounding relentless , and the emotional pay-off is better than Alien , when Newt runs up and throws her arms round Ripley I don't mind admitting I choked up .
     
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  7. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost star 6

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    One of the best things about Aliens is that is a sequel that fits perfectly and evolves the world established in Alien that is a really different type of film instead of just copying bits and style from before. It's of a piece but very unique.
     
  8. grd4

    grd4 Jedi Master star 4

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    DagobahSystem: The acting in the original is uniformly excellent, as Alien belongs to that small club of adult-aimed 70s blockbusters excelling in gravitas (see also: The Exorcist, Jaws), but there are a few interesting character turns in Aliens, chief among them Michael Biehn. It's a textured performance, stoic yet buoyed with unexpected shadings (e.g., his ambivalent, subdued reaction to learning that the ambush fallout has designated him the senior officer; his tenderness towards Newt; his initial reservations in accepting Ripley's accusations towards Burke).
     
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  9. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost star 6

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    Yeah, I agree Biehn is subtle but he's great. Same with the always dependable Lance Henrickson as Bishop, it toes a nice line of he may be creepy crazy like Ash, and it's meant to lean that way, but in the end he's downright helpful and on repeat viewing you can see how it's both a great fake out and playing it completely straight. I know Paul Riser went on to get famous because of Mad About You but I think he's perfect as the villain of the movie (the Xenomoprhs themselves are more of a force of nature, even if sometimes they can be nasty). "BOOM! Administration steps in and there's nothing for anybody. It was a bad call, Ripley. Bad call." "Bad call? These people are DEAD, Burke!"

    And pretty much every single line Bill Paxton as Hicks is just absolute gold. Carrie Hien as Newt actually manages to be a kid in a horror movie who isn't irritating at all, heck, she has some of the movie's best lines "They're dead, all right, can I go now?" and "They mostly come at night. Mostly." And she has one of my favourite bits in the movie after they escape the hive and Ripley asks Newt "Are you okay?" And she gives a very unimpressed thumbs up in response, kind of like saying "Look, lady, I'm only here because you dragged me here so thanks for nothing"
     
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  10. dp4m

    dp4m Chosen One star 10

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    So, I finally watched Covenant on my flights yesterday and... sure? I guess?

    I watched The Mummy too, and that was crap -- the cast was giving it their all, but it was a disjointed mess undone by at least the director. Covenant has the opposite problem -- it's spectacularly made, but seemingly without any real point? It's much better than Prometheus, but that's such a low bar I don't know if I'm damning with faint praise.

    On the other hand, it seems narratively divorced from Prometheus somewhat, other than being SPECTACULARLY mean-spirited. I did like two things a lot though... killing Franco off in the first five minutes, and I was very impressed with Danny McBride in this.

    As well, are we now supposed to believe that Shaw birthed the first queen, or do we have a xeno-chicken/egg situation going?
     
  11. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost star 6

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    I think it's David made Alien eggs by using research and testing on Shaw, and Daniels is going to be the Queen (implied in one of the blu ray extras)
     
  12. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost star 6

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  13. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Neil's Alien 5 may be dead, but another alternate sequel to Aliens will be emerging in comicbook form this November: William Gibson's Alien 3 script.

    Gibson followed a treatment laid out by producers David Giler, Walter Hill and Gordon Carroll who wanted to explore the Weyland-Yutani Corporation’s motivations and wrap it all up in a big Cold War metaphor. So they came up with an idea for a story about a militarily aggressive culture of humans with rigid socialist ideology that saw them breaking away from Earth society.

    Gibson accepted the task and came up with a story which picks up after “Aliens” as the Sulaco drifts into an area of space controlled by the Union of Progressive Peoples (U.P.P.) who board the vessel and one of their number is attacked by a facehugger. They take Bishop with them for further study. The Sulaco then arrives at the space station Anchorpoint and with Ripley in a coma, Hicks explores the station and discovers Weyland-Yutani are developing an Alien army just as U.P.P. are doing their own research. Soon both Anchorpoint and the U.P.P stations are overrun with the xenomorphs and Hicks leads the survivors in an attempt to destroy the parasites.
     
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  14. grd4

    grd4 Jedi Master star 4

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    Absolutely. David is one of the most compelling characters I've seen in genre film. I honestly wish Scott had jettisoned all the xenomorph material and just focused on his arc.
     
  15. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    You know, one thing that never occurred to me until now... when Disney acquired LFL following the acquisition of Marvel, the Star Wars comics license predictably went from Dark Horse Comics to Marvel.

    Now, with Fox's properties likely to be acquired by Disney, it almost seems inevitable to me that the same will happen to DHC again with the Alien and Predator licenses- which would really suck for them since that company was basically founded on those comics. I mean, they've found success with other titles besides AVP & SW over the years, such as Buffy and Hellboy (and Fox owns Buffy, I think as well as, possibly, Conan?), but, man, the odds, right?

    It only struck me as DHC did The Star Wars screenplay adaptation as something of a last hurrah in their final year or so of having the license and, now, they have the Gibson Alien 3 adaptation in potentially the same position.
     
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  16. Ahsoka's Tano

    Ahsoka's Tano Jedi Master star 5

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    If he could've broadened the story between Elizabeth Shaw and David then I'd have liked Covenant so much more.
     
  17. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost star 6

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    Scott does have a tendency to ramble and seemingly make up movies on the spot, however, he did indicate that there was more story to be told in between Prometheus and Covenant. Hopefully if/when we get another film that Scott is working on we get more of their relationship cuz it got real nasty apparently and they seem to get along at the end of Prometheus. Or maybe David thought experimenting on her was an expression of love...?

    Well, also, David DID try to restrain her when he found out she was "pregnant" and wanted to see the "baby" through, so maybe they were never all that nice. Would be great if we got more of David/Shaw, though cuz she ends rather nastily in Covenant. (You'd figure someone paying attention to the franchise would mention Newt and Hicks in Alien 3 but Scott, even if he heard them, probably just growled angrily)
     
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  18. Ahsoka's Tano

    Ahsoka's Tano Jedi Master star 5

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    I've posted about this before, but if there was one scene in Covenant that left a lasting image with me it was this one.

    :(

     
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