JCC Robbery

Discussion in 'Community' started by Jabba-wocky, Dec 14, 2012.

  1. Jabba-wocky Chosen One

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    This problem has plagued human civilization for millennia. Yet, no one has found a real solution as of yet. Why? I think it is time we admit the truth. People will always have an impulse to take things from one another. These misguided laws attempting to "ban" it only drive thievery underground. Is this really what we want?
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  2. GenAntilles Force Ghost

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    You are working on the assumption that stopping robbery is the reason we have laws. We have laws against robbery not to stop robbery, but to clarify what robbery is and the penalties applied to it once it has been used. Laws don't stop crime, laws tell us how to respond to crime.
  3. Eeth-my-Koth Chosen One

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    We should all be armed with guns. Nothing can go wrong with this. :)
  4. GenAntilles Force Ghost

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    I prefer to have an army of indestructible robot guardians who kill anyone that makes any hostile or criminal action. Peace through fear of annihilation.
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  5. MarcusP2 Games and Community Reaper

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    GenAntilles = Mr House?
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  6. Healer_Leona Manager Emeritus

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    Imagine no possessions
    I wonder if you can
    No need for greed or hunger
    A brotherhood of man
    Imagine all the people
    Sharing all the world...
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  7. mrsvos Force Ghost

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    People be crazy and $#!t.
  8. Jabba-wocky Chosen One

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    This is an idiotic song, I have always thought, since the day you all introduced me to it.
  9. Eeth-my-Koth Chosen One

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    It took the JC to introduce you to it? Do you live under a rock?
  10. AaylaSecurOWNED Force Ghost

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    And yet R. Kelly's Trapped In The Closet is your jam.


    Vin, this is wocky we're talking about.
    Last edited by AaylaSecurOWNED, Dec 15, 2012
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  11. Jabba-wocky Chosen One

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    ASO referenced it as a favorite song of hers or something, yes. I replied at the time that I didn't know what she was referring to. After the explanation, I commented that it struck me as saying "Imagine there was no economy, because figuring out a system for the delivery of goods and services is too hard." Which is pretty much still my impression at present.

    Also, to be clear, "Trapped in the Closet" is terrible, is pretty upfront about that fact, and amuses me because of it.
  12. Rogue_Ten Chosen One

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    wocky why is private property necessary for an economy?
  13. Jabba-wocky Chosen One

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    It absolutely isn't. But even without private property, there is still an economy. My criticism is not with this fellow's specific proposals. It's that, for the most part, he never bothers to make any. He just cites a whole bunch of "problems" and then shrinks from trying to propose any solution to them, instead preferring to talk about what it would be like if there was nothing to make a problem of in the first place. That's fundamentally pretty lazy.
  14. JoinTheSchwarz Comms Admin & Community Manager

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  15. Rogue_Ten Chosen One

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    well its difficult for many people to imagine life without the systems he advocates dismantling. that's why the song is called "imagine", its encouraging you to step outside of your comfort zone in imagining life without oppressive structures we tend to believe, through indoctrination, are indispensable or inevitable
  16. Darth Guy Chosen One

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    Wasn't/isn't "private property" used to refer to land, capital and means of production rather than just "possessions" in general? I mean, a shirt is a possession but I'm not sure that could be public property.
  17. Jabba-wocky Chosen One

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    Yes, Even. That is correct.
  18. Rogue_Ten Chosen One

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    true but i tend to imagine that he was more precisely referring to private property than "ive got a toothbrush that i use to brush my teeth" type possessions

    OR MAYBE IM NOT IMAGINING HARD ENOUGH!?!
  19. Darth Guy Chosen One

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    "Imagine no private property" would sound pretty awkward in that song.
  20. Jabba-wocky Chosen One

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    Maybe it's a dumb song?

    Also, quite honestly, I've lost track of what positions you people are even taking on this whole issue.
  21. Rogue_Ten Chosen One

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    ur a dumb song wocky

    YOU ARE
  22. AAAAAH Jedi Grand Master

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    no, he definitely meant all possessions, so give up your toothbrush, and use the toothbrush of the state like everybody else.
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  23. Jabba-wocky Chosen One

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    Human beings tend not to work well as songs, I'll concede.
  24. JoinTheSchwarz Comms Admin & Community Manager

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    Private property =/= personal property
  25. Jabba-wocky Chosen One

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    You may as well elaborate.