I can totally respect that Geoff. I don't want the discussion to de-rail with what-ifs anymore than you do, so maybe it's better that no one comments to my post. I just wanted to give people food for thought and get them to think about the influence one life can have on our society so they can be aware of it when assessing the abortion issue. I thought I put a disclaimer with all three scenarios that was obvious enough to be seen... sorry if it wasn't. And as for the abortion technology comment I made, I had a feeling it was possible at the time GL was born too, but I wasn't sure. (I knew it wasn't legal at the time, hence the "permissible" inclusion in my post) Maybe I should have just outright asked if it was possible to clarify for myself, but sorry for any confusion there. EDIT: No one but Geoff and myself might know what we're talking about because I have since edited one of my posts to make it easier to understand, but it had to do with whether it was possible to have abortions back in the day when GL was conceived. So his last post and this one might not make sense to you. But hopefully things are clearer now. Just thought I would give you all the 411 in case you're lost.