ROTJ and its flaws

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  1. Darth Pikachuwbacca Jedi Master

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    From what I have seen of Episode II, Anakin wears a costume very similar to Luke's from RotJ.
  2. Jedi_Tin-Buk_Tu Jedi Master

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    As far as the Ewoks go: Lucas replaced the Wookies with Ewoks when realized that a colony of Wookies would pretty obviously be overwhelming. There would be no suspense in that. He chose the Ewoks because he wanted to get the "moral message" across that you can't overlook anyone. The Empire overlooked them for their "cute" appearance and their primative culture, but it cost them.

    The reuse of the Death Star? I think you're missing the whole point. The 2nd Death Star was intended to be nothing more than bait for the Rebellion, and more importantly, Luke. I doubt that the Emperor had any serious plans for it. Once the Rebellion was crushed, there would be no need for it. Why didn't they build something else instead of Death Star (to be original)? Think about. The Empire already had plans for a Death Star. They only had to make modifications to a new one better. Why waste time/money/effort coming up with something completely new when you're just using it as bait? Also, the Empire knew that the Rebellion would already have an idea of a Death Star's weakness. A reactor core. So it would be that much more tempting for them to make an attack on it. Plus, the destructive capability of a Death Star had already been shown (in ANH). There would be no need to show it again, whereas there would be for something new.
  3. JediSenoj451 Jedi Master

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    Amen Jedi_Tin-Buk_Tu. I agree with you.

    Pretend as if RotJ took place in real life. You are the Emperor. You have this huge powerful spacestation (Death Star). Half of it had been blown away, but after spending time and money, you could make it operational again.

    Now this is the question I have for you. If you are the Emperor, would you waste even more of your resources by starting from scratch to build a new spacestation, or would you use what you already have? Most people would chose the second. It's smarter and more economical.
  4. Jedi_Tin-Buk_Tu Jedi Master

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    Actually, the 2nd death star was brand new. They didn't rebuild the old one because it was completely blown up. The "gutted out" half was where the new construction was going on. But it still saves time when you already have plans/schematics/designs for one, than coming up with plans/schematics/designs something new.

    Anwyay, I know you got the point. Thanks. ;)
  5. Jedi_Tin-Buk_Tu Jedi Master

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    Darth Pikachuwbacca,

    Anakin's costume in Episode 2 is quite different from Luke's ROTJ costume, aside from the colors. Anakin's costume implements much more leather, ala Vader's.
  6. JediSenoj451 Jedi Master

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    Wow! It was bran new? Man...now you know how stupid I am. For 11 years I thought it was the other half of the Death Star. That just goes to show you how much one can learn from RotJ. I've seen that movie 30 times and I find out something new each time I see it. A good movie is something you can watch over and over again and still learn from it. :) Thanks for pointing that one out Jedi_Tim-Buk_Tu. I owe you one.
  7. Jedi_Tin-Buk_Tu Jedi Master

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    Don't feel stupid, JediSenoj. It just shows what a geek I am! [face_blush]

    I've been watching it longer than that (ever since it came out in theaters)!
  8. Obi-Wan69 Jedi Master

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    JediSenoj451- Did you miss it in ANH when the first DS was completely blown up?
    ;)
  9. JediSenoj451 Jedi Master

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    LOL. That's what seemed strange to me. I thought it was blown up totally in ANH. But I couldn't explain why half of the Death Star seemed destroyed in RotJ. I figured that only half of it got blown up in Episode 4. I know I know...it seems silly. I don't know why I never figured it out after all these years.
  10. Limbo_Stick Jedi Knight

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  11. oBi1JaCoBi Jedi Knight

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    I would have to say that I enjoy ROTJ more than the ANH and ESB. Everyone, especially Luke is more mature in ROTJ. In ANH and ESB Luke was kinda whiny. I love those movies too because it makes sense that Luke behaved that way, but I liked his character much more in ROTJ. I especially like ROTJ for its ending. Its not too easy to finish off a trilogy and I thought it was done very well.
  12. JiveTurkey Jedi Knight

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    Ok, here's the deal. I love ROTJ. It was the first movie my dad ever took me to when I was 4 years old and it's been my favorite movie ever since. As I've grown older I've learned to truly appreciate it more and more. The sail barge scene is exciting. The space battle is amazing. And the duel between Luke, Vader, and the Emperor is as emotionally complex and tense as anything in ANH or ESB (for some reason the only two movies that "Star Wars fans" like). I even like the Ewoks! I love ROTJ and I don't care what any self-rightious person who thinks he could do a better job than Lucas says to try to covince me otherwise.
  13. Ben_Skywalker Force Ghost

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    lol senoj :D its just that it was under construction and not blown up...
  14. Gharlane Force Ghost

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  15. Jedi_Mira_Lyn Jedi Knight

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    hi i know im knew here but came across this thread and it looked very interesting
    ROTJ has always been my fave of the trilogy i think ive seen it more times than any of the others. My nephew was never interested in star wars till i let him watch some of the movies he loved it and now at age 10 he's just a big a fan as i am. only problem was when i took him to see TPM he looked at me in a crowded theatre and said rather loudly honestly dont you know this isnt a girls movie. i was dumbfounded that a kid would say something like that lol i had to laugh it really was funny since i got him into the movies in the first place just goes to show kids really do say the darndest things
  16. Ga4 Force Ghost

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    You probably all went over this, but I was wondering...why doesn't the emperor sense Luke on Endor when Vader did. Wasn't he foreseeing everything?

    Referring to "strange that I have not.."
  17. Bossk_BountyHunter Jedi Youngling

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    I'll throw in my 2 cents worth.


    I like ROTJ the least.Why? First off Carrie Fisher's old whiskey hound voice annoys me.

    But lets look past that.

    Ewoks.Love them or hate them?I didn't like them but they aren't in the film for very long so I can stand them.

    Chewie with a Tarzan roar....I thought that was lame.

    I am guessing that maybe the actors were getting sick of Star Wars.Ford was just starting to make a name for himself with the fabulous Blade Runner.

    To me ROTJ was the worst so far.But it is still good.
  18. Darthkarma Jedi Master

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    Jedi Tin Buc Too, excellent analysis of why a second death star. Best I've seen.
  19. IEatPoodoo Force Ghost

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    Am I the only one bothered by the fact that ROTJ is the only SW movie with three .'s at the end of it's opening scroll instead of four?
  20. Jedi_Mira_Lyn Jedi Knight

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    you know Ga4 thats a good question ive always wondered that myself. theres got to be someone out there who can give a verifiable answer to it. Guess we just wait and see
  21. Gharlane Force Ghost

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  22. Scout_Trooper Jedi Knight

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    I completely agree with everything Jedi_Tin-Buk_Tu said.

    And ROTJ is my favorite SW film. I've stated in past posts why, but I'll keep it short and to the point, ROTJ is my favorite simply because I found it to be the most enjoyable of all the SW films.
  23. bedada3 Force Ghost

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    What happened to all the surfers and M-TV-heads who were talking about how ROTJ "sucked ... just because it sucked"?

    Personally, I liked ROTJ (from where I come, "it sucked" means that you hated it). I rank the films like this (very closely rated):

    Ep.5
    Ep.6
    Ep.2
    Ep.4
    Ep.1

  24. Vonn Jedi Master

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    Bossk,

    Hate to tell you this, but Ford hated Bladerunner more than SW.
  25. ferelwookie Jedi Master

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    True. I remember seeing several articles stating that HF though "Bladerunner" was THE worst movie that he was in. Too bad, it's one of my favorites!

    As far as my ROTJ wish-list...
    Replace Ewoks with Wookies
    Cut Chewie's "Tarzan" yell...that's just embarassing
    More Han
    A line or two of REGRET by Anakin before he dies
    Fix the Rancor FX
    Leia in the bikini for the whole film!

    :D
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