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ROTJ - Extended Luke-Obi Wan scene?

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by Swingin Vader, Aug 12, 2004.

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  1. Swingin Vader

    Swingin Vader Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The whole reason everyone has known about the Anakin-Obi Wan duel and the molten pit that occurs in ROTS is from the ROTJ novel that came out decades ago. The scene on Dagobah between Luke and Obi Wan, which goes beyond the film, explains everything.

    Was this scene ever actually filmed, but cut out? If so, it would be great to re-insert it into the ROTJ DVD. It would explain a lot and be sort of a teaser to ROTS at the same time.
     
  2. Go-Mer-Tonic

    Go-Mer-Tonic Jedi Youngling star 6

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    I don't think that has been altered for the September 2004 DVD release, but there will probably be more enhancements made for the supposed "Archival Edition" due sometime after Episode III is finished.

    It's possible that they filmed it back when they original shot ROTJ though I am not sure if they did.
     
  3. hofie

    hofie Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Didn't that scene also say that Owen was Obi Wan's brother and not Anakin's? It's been a while since I read that.
     
  4. TwiLekJedi

    TwiLekJedi Pretty Ex-Mod star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    (Let's not treat this as a DVD thread and we can keep it.)


    I'm not sure, but I don't think it was ever filmed.
    EDIT: Surely we would know about that. Don't we know (almost) every other deleted scene?
    They never filmed a version about The Emperor talking about Yoda, either. Right?
     
  5. Swingin Vader

    Swingin Vader Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    True, the scene in the book did indeed also say that Owen and Obi Wan were brothers. Obviously, that won't fly anymore.
     
  6. DARTH_CHINA

    DARTH_CHINA Jedi Master star 5

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    They never filmed a version about The Emperor talking about Yoda, either. Right?

    Yeah, I kinda wish they filmed the dialogue as written in the ROTJ novel. Fantastic lines, IMO. Always nice to hear Palpatine talk about Yoda. :)
     
  7. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    This extended dialogue was probably filmed as it was in the 3rd draft of the script, supposedly.

    51 EXT DAGOBAH SWAMP - X-WING 51

    Luke wanders back to where his ship is sitting. Artoo beeps a
    greeting, but is ignored by his depressed master. Luke kneels
    down, begins to help Artoo with the ship, then stops and shakes
    his head dejectedly.

    LUKE
    I can't do it, Artoo. I can't go on alone.

    BEN (OS)
    Yoda will always be with you.

    Luke looks up to see the shimmering image of BEN KENOBI.

    LUKE
    Obi-Wan! Why didn't you tell me?

    The ghost of Ben Kenobi approaches him through the swamp.

    LUKE
    You told me Vader betrayed and murdered my
    father.

    BEN
    You father was seduced by the dark side of
    the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker
    and became Darth Vader. When that happened,
    the good man who was your father was
    destroyed. So what I have told you was
    true... from a certain point of view.

    LUKE (turning away, derisive)
    A certain point of view!

    BEN
    Luke, you're going to find that many of the
    truths we cling to depend greatly on our own
    point of view.

    Luke is unresponsive. Ben studies him in silence for a moment.

    BEN
    I don't blame you for being angry. If I was
    wrong in what I did, it certainly wouldn't
    have been for the first time. You see, what
    happened to your father was my fault.

    Ben pauses sadly.

    BEN
    Anakin was a good friend.

    Luke turns with interest at this. As Ben speaks, Luke settles on
    a stump, mesmerized. Artoo comes over to offer his comforting
    presence.

    BEN
    When I first knew him, your father was
    already a great pilot. But I was amazed how
    strongly the Force was with him. I took it
    upon myself to train him as a Jedi. I
    thought that I could instruct him just as
    well as Yoda. I was wrong. My pride has
    had terrible consequences for the galaxy.

    Luke is entranced.

    LUKE
    There's still good in him.

    BEN
    I also thought he could be turned back to the
    good side. It couldn't be done. He is more
    machine now than man. Twisted and evil.

    LUKE
    I can't do it, Ben.

    BEN
    You cannot escape your destiny.

    LUKE
    I tried to stop him once. I couldn't do it.

    BEN
    Vader humbled you when first you met him,
    Luke...but that experience was part of your
    training. It taught you, among other things,
    the value of patience. Had you not been so
    impatient to defeat Vader then, you could
    have finished your training here with Yoda.
    You would have been prepared.

    LUKE
    But I had to help my friends.

    BEN (grinning at Luke's indignation)
    And did you help them? It was they who had to
    save you. You achieved little by rushing back
    prematurely, I fear.

    LUKE (with sadness)
    I found out Darth Vader was my father.

     
  8. MatthewZ

    MatthewZ Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The Anakin not knowing Luke's mother was pregnant....would also seem to contradict the saga.
     
  9. DamonD

    DamonD Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Yup. Just as well it didn't make it to the final product.
     
  10. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    They could always reintegrate the scene or present the deleted scene with that line excised like what they did to Red Leader in the ANH:SE.
     
  11. masterjedi747

    masterjedi747 Jedi Master star 3

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    The Anakin not knowing Luke's mother was pregnant....would also seem to contradict the saga.

    Hold on, why? We haven't seen ROTS yet, maybe Anakin didn't know about his children.
     
  12. clone3131

    clone3131 Jedi Master star 4

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    Good stuff 2nd Quest- Thanks...
     
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