ROTS Levels (Spoilers)

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  1. MasterKazur Jedi Knight

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    Cool and thanks. Always glad to know my stats are being used. With the 15 Force points and the Skywalker bonus there should be little doubt that Anakin is the most powerful Jedi up to this point and maybe even the most powerful ever. (even without being a level 20). Especially the Darth Vader from beginning of the duel. Man! He would destroy all who opposed him... Except for Kenobi that is. heh heh
    But seriously, these stats should do him credit and they are within the rules of the game.
  2. MasterKazur Jedi Knight

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    Let me try this again! (third time)

    I do not think Darth Sidious' stats do him credit combatwise.
    According to the spoilers, Sidious is better than anybody else we've seen before with a lightsaber. Nick Gillard says that he's definately the best and the stats WotC made for him, don't seem right to me.
    Sure he could use his Fear +18 to give his opponents up to -10 on attacks and stuff against him but that could be ignored or countered with battlemind... Something needs to be done.
    Anyone up for a challenge? :)


    These are the stats as they are now. We need to toughen him up.



    Darth Sidious (beginning of Episode III): Male Human Noble 4/Dark Side Devotee 6/Sith Lord 10; Init +0; Defense 24 (+14 class); Spd 10 m; VP/WP 124/13; Atk +18/+13/+8/+3* melee (5d8/19-20, lightsaber) or +17/+12/+7/+2 ranged; SQ Bonus class skill (Intimidate), favor +4, inspire confidence, resource access, coordinate +1, dark side talisman +2, force weapon +1d8, resource access, Sith secrets, exceptional minions, Sith Master; SV Fort +12, Ref +11, Will +18; SZ M; FP 9; DSP 32; Rep +17; Str 11, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 18, Wis 16, Cha 16.
    Equipment: Private transport.
    Darth Sidious had contructed his own lightsaber.
    Skills: Bluff +13, Craft (lightsaber) +6, Computer Use +7, Diplomacy +19, Gather Information +16, Intimidate +15, Knowledge (bureaucracy) +15, Knowledge (politics) +15, Knowledge (Jedi lore) +10, Knowledge (Naboo) +6, Knowledge (Sith lore) +15, Read/Write Basic, Read/Write Bothan, Read/Write Mon Calamarian, Read/Write Gran, Read/Write Rodian, Read/Write Ryl, Read/Write Sith, Sense Motive +11, Speak Basic, Speak Bothan, Speak Mon Calamarian, Speak Gran, Speak Rodian, Speak Ryl, Speak Sith.
    Force Skills: Affect Mind +14, Alchemy +17, Control Mind +15, Drain Energy +12, Empathy +17, Farseeing +23, Fear +18, Force Defense +16, Force Grip +16, Force Lightning +15, Heal Self +14, Move Object +12, See Force +18, Telepathy +20, Transfer Essense +17.
    Feats: Fame, Force-Sensitive, Skill Emphasis (Diplomacy), Skill Emphasis (Farseeing), Skill Emphasis (Fear), Skill Emphasis (Force Lightning), Skill Emphasis (Influence), Skill Emphasis (Knowledge (politics)), Skill Emphasis (Telepathy), Link, Trustworthy, Weapon Group Proficiencies (blaster pistols, simple weapons).
    Force Feats: Alter, Control, Dissipate Energy, Force Mastery, Force Mind, Malevolent, Sense.

  3. JoinTheSchwarz Comms Admin & Community Manager

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    Okay, this is the second iteration of my Eta-2 stats. Comments are welcome:

    Craft: Sienar Republic Systems Eta-2 Actis-class starfighter
    Class: Starfighter
    Cost: 143,00 kCr
    Size: Diminutive (8 meters length)
    Initiative: +8 (+4 crew, +4 size)
    Crew: 1 (Skilled +4)
    Passengers: 0
    Cargo Capacity: None
    Consumables: 1 Week
    Hyperdrive: x1
    Maximum Speed: Ramming (10 squares/action)
    Atmospheric Speed: 1200 km/h (20 squares/action)
    Maneuver: +8 (+4 size, +4 crew)
    Defense: 24 (+4 size, +10 armor)
    Hull Points: 60 (DR 5)
    Shield Points: 30 (DR 5)

    Weapon: Laser Cannon (2 fire-linked); Fire Arc: Front; Attack Bonus: +12 (+4 size, +4 crew, +4 fire control); Damage: 5d10x2; Range Modifiers: PB +0, S -2, M/L N/A.

    Weapon: Proton Torpedo Launcher (6 torpedoes); Fire Arc: Front; Attack Bonus: +12 (+4 size, +4 crew, +4 fire control); Damage: 9d10x2; Range Modifiers: PB +0, S/M/L N/A; Missile Quality: Normal (+10).
  4. Beyond_the_Stars Jedi Knight

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    I don't know what side to take on whether you can drop levels or not, after all, you boh have good arguments. However, I would very much be interested in making a CW/RotS series of stats.

    P.S. Does anyone think that perhaps Anakin should have a level or two of Jedi Ace?
  5. kidwehatethemost Jedi Knight

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    I do think Anakin deserves a level or two in Jedi Ace, "Best star pilot in the galaxy", He's supposed to be awesome in ROTS, and he even flies in ANH.. so yeah..
  6. Shadowen Jedi Youngling

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    To say nothing of the fact that his Pilot modifier is a piddling +10.

    I once did a remake of Vader's stats that maxed his Pilot skill, all the way to his final level. I think his final modifier, when he was using Enhance Ability and got a good roll, enhancing his Dexterity by the maximum amount, was like +29... It also made him a maxed-out Jedi Ace: Fringer 1/Jedi Guardian 6/Jedi Ace 5/Sith Lord 6. In reality, I should probably tone down the Jedi Ace bit--maybe to 3, or even to 1 (to allow him to keep the second lightsaber damage increase he has from Jedi Guardian).
  7. MasterKazur Jedi Knight

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    Check out these Episode III stats I made for Sidious. They are more battle-oriented than his other stats, and I think these represent him much better.

    Darth Sidious (beginning of Episode III): Male Human Noble 4/Dark Side Devotee 6/Sith Lord 10; Init +0; Defense 24 (+14 class); Spd 10 m; VP/WP 124/12; Atk +18/+13/+8/+3* melee (5d8/19-20, lightsaber) or +17/+12/+7/+2 ranged; SQ Bonus class skill (Intimidate), favor +4, inspire confidence, resource access, coordinate +1, dark side talisman +2, force weapon +1d8, resource access, deflect (defense +2), deflect (attack -3), Sith secrets, exceptional minions, Sith Master; SV Fort +12, Ref +11, Will +18; SZ M; FP 9; DSP 32; Rep +17; Str 11, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 18, Wis 16, Cha 16.
    Equipment: Lightsaber, Sith holocron, private transport.
    *Darth Sidious has constructed his own lightsaber.
    Skills: Bluff +13, Craft (lightsaber) +6, Computer Use +7, Diplomacy +19, Gather Information +16, Intimidate +15, Knowledge (bureaucracy) +15, Knowledge (politics) +12, Knowledge (Jedi lore) +10, Knowledge (Naboo) +6, Knowledge (Sith lore) +15, Read/Write Basic, Read/Write Bothan, Read/Write Mon Calamarian, Read/Write Gran, Read/Write Rodian, Read/Write Ryl, Read/Write Sith, Sense Motive +11, Speak Basic, Speak Bothan, Speak Mon Calamarian, Speak Gran, Speak Rodian, Speak Ryl, Speak Sith.
    Force Skills: Affect Mind +14, Alchemy +17, Control Mind +15, Drain Energy +12, Empathy +17, Enhance Ability +14, Farseeing +23, Fear +18, Force Defense +16, Force Grip +16, Force Lightning +15, Heal Self +14, Move Object +12, See Force +18, Telepathy +20.
    Feats: Exotic Weapon (lightsaber), Fame, Force-Sensitive, Skill Emphasis (Diplomacy), Skill Emphasis (Farseeing), Skill Emphasis (Fear), Skill Emphasis (Force Lightning), Skill Emphasis (Telepathy), Link, Trustworthy, Weapon Group Proficiencies (blaster pistols, simple weapons).
    Force Feats: Alter, Control, Dissipate Energy, Force Mastery, Force Mind, Knight Defense**, Lightsaber Defense**, Malevolent, Master Defense**, Sense.

    **Darth Sidious gained these feats in his youth. For Darth Sidious to meet the prerequisite to use these feats, he must make an Enhance Ability check, get a result of 15 or higher, and apply the Force bonus to his Dexterity score. (Other effects of Enhance Ability still apply).
  8. NJOfan215 Jedi Grand Master

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    nice stats, did you post them in the stats thread.
  9. MasterKazur Jedi Knight

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    I will do it right away!
  10. JoinTheSchwarz Comms Admin & Community Manager

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    Here's yet another iteration of the Actis starfighter:

    Jedi Interceptor
    Craft: Kuat Systems Engineering Eta-2 Actis-class starfighter; Class: Starfighter; Cost: NAFS; Size: Diminutive (5.5 meters length); Initiative: +8 (+4 crew, +4 size); Crew: 1 (Skilled +4); Passengers: 0; Cargo Capacity: None; Consumables: 1 Week; Hyperdrive: x1; Maximum Speed: Ramming (10 squares/action); Atmospheric Speed: 1200 km/h (20 squares/action); Maneuvers: +8 (+4 size, +4 crew); Defense: 24 (+4 size, +10 armor); Hull Points: 60 (DR 5); Shield Points: None.
    Weapon: Laser Cannon (2, fire-linked); Fire Arc: Front; Attack Bonus: +12 (+4 size, +4 crew, +4 fire control); Damage: 5d10x2; Range Modifiers: PB +0, S -2, M/L N/A.
    Weapon: Ion Cannon (2, fire-linked); Fire Arc: Front; Attack Bonus: +12 (+4 size, +4 crew, +4 fire control); Damage: Special; Range Modifiers: PB -2, S/M +0, L N/A.
  11. Blithe Force Ghost

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    Kazur: Those are good Sidious stats. I like how you made him better for Lightsaber combat (with the addition of the Lightsaber Defense feats) without drastically altering his original flavor.

    With those stats, I can see how could contend with Yoda and Windu more easily.
  12. MasterKazur Jedi Knight

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    Thanks very much Blithe. I tried very hard to stay true to the original stats.
    With his high defense and his fear skill he should be able to able to square off against the best of 'em :)

    Glad you like my work.
  13. effortless_skill Force Ghost

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    From my Judging of the stats Mace has the Most skill .Am i correct? His power is Hardly matched.
  14. MasterKazur Jedi Knight

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    From my Judging of the stats Mace has the Most skill .Am i correct? His power is Hardly matched.

    No deal. Exar Kun, Darth Vader, Ulic-Qel Droma (among others) are all his equal. Some even better. Mace is up there with the best but he doesn't have "the Most skill". You are not correct :)
  15. effortless_skill Force Ghost

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    when it comes to fighting Mace looks the best to me.


    Vaapad owns all!!! :)
  16. NJOfan215 Jedi Grand Master

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    Mace is a damn good fighter. I will say he was probably the best saber fighter of his time, but the jedi from the knights of the old republic erea were at least as good. They had to be in order to survive the sith.
  17. effortless_skill Force Ghost

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    Mace has so many advanced skill its just amazing.I look at other stats and dont see half the combat skill mace has.
  18. NJOfan215 Jedi Grand Master

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    TAke a look at my revised and updated character thread. At level 16 ulic isn't to far away. BAsicly people with a lot of sith levels are usualy good, since the sith classes are the best classes in the game. Like i said, Mace is the best or tied for the best saber duelest in the prequil era jedi order. Perhaps the best all together, but some of the guys from the other era's were good also.
  19. MasterKazur Jedi Knight

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    TAke a look at my revised and updated character thread. At level 16 ulic isn't to far away. BAsicly people with a lot of sith levels are usualy good, since the sith classes are the best classes in the game. Like i said, Mace is the best or tied for the best saber duelest in the prequil era jedi order. Perhaps the best all together, but some of the guys from the other era's were good also.

    Thats right. Ulic Qel Droma is better than Mace. So is Exar Kun. The each have better defense and Ulic deals more damage and has a higher battlemind. Exar also has a higher battlemind and attack bonus. Dooku is also better. His defense is by far the best.
    Vader is his equal (arguably better because of more damage, higher defense and sith skills/feats, but not as high attack bonus because of his armor).
    Yoda also has a much higher defense, but not quite as good damage or attack bonus.

    Mace is good. Very, very good. Just not the best.

  20. effortless_skill Force Ghost

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    Well, according to the the stats that I have asked you Guys from the Past.Mace has more Combat skill Than Ulic.Mace Winud's stats Ooooze skill.Mace Outs Classes Him in Known Feats.All the Feats in Bold are Skills windu has that Ulic does not.


    In known Force Skills He beats him In a few Catergories.I Feel Mace is better than Ulic.Mace Windu Is just as Powerful As Ulic,Yet More combat Minded.HIs Combatitve Force Skills are equal If Not More in key areas.IMO overall Windu Is the best Force User.



    Mace Force Skills: Affect Mind +15, Battlemind +14, Empathy +8, Enhance Ability +12, Enhance Senses +8, Farseeing +8, Force Defense +12, Force Stealth +6, Force Strike +10, Heal Self +7, Move Object +10, See Force +11, Telepathy
    Feats: Combat Expertise, Combat Reflexes, Dodge, Exotic Weapon (lightsaber), Force-Sensitive, Improved Critical (lightsaber), Martial Arts, Mobility, Spring Attack, Two-Weapon Fighting, Weapon Focus (lightsaber), Weapon Group Proficiencies (blaster pistols, simple weapons), Whirlwind Attack.


    Force Feats: Alter, Burst of Speed, Control, Knight Defense, Lightsaber Defense, Sense.




    Ulic Force Skills: Battlemind +15, Drain Knowledge +7, Enhance Ability +9, Enhance Senses +6, Farseeing +8, Force Defense +11, Force Grip +12, Force Strike +8, Heal Self +8, Move Object +14, See Force +11, Telepathy +10.
    Feats: Exotic Weapon (lightsaber), Force-Sensitive, Heroic Surge, Infamy, Power Attack, Starship Operation (space transports), Weapon Focus (lightsaber), Weapon Group Proficiency (blaster pistols, simple weapons).


    Force Feats: Alter, Burst of Speed, Control, Knight Defense, Lightsaber Defense, Rage, Sense.


  21. MasterKazur Jedi Knight

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    Ulic has a higher attack bonus, way better defense, deals more damage and all this and he is still 2 levels below Mace. Ulic is the better fighter.

    Combat Reflexes is really only useful against more enemies at once. If Mace and Ulic were fighting this feat wouldn't change anything.

    Improved Critical (lightsaber) does give Mace a boost. A very cool feat.

    Martial Arts doesn't really do much good either sice Mace would have to be unarmed to use it.

    Whirlwind Attack is only useful against multiple opponents at once too.


    Plus Ulic has the power attack feat. Mace does not.
    Ulic isn't THAT much better than Mace, but better he certainly is.
  22. Ender Sai Chosen One

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    Not to detract from how uber-L337 we wish Anakin was, but Jedi Knighthood is bestowed at Jedi Level 7. Anakin just becomes a Knight prior to Episode III. What was he doing, stacking 13 [sic] levels worth of character points?

    Anakin's strength came from surprise and I'd guess an ability to either renew VP quickly or pay next to nothing for powers.

    And Obi should end ROTS levelling up to 15, right?

    (My RCRB is back in Australia, and I'm in the RoC so I can't double check most of this)

    E_S
  23. MasterKazur Jedi Knight

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    Not to detract from how uber-L337 we wish Anakin was, but Jedi Knighthood is bestowed at Jedi Level 7. Anakin just becomes a Knight prior to Episode III. What was he doing, stacking 13 [sic] levels worth of character points?

    Anakin's strength came from surprise and I'd guess an ability to either renew VP quickly or pay next to nothing for powers.


    Anakins strength came from his extraordinary powerful Force Points (connection to the Force). and he was knighted about 2 years before episode 3 (clone wars chapter 21). And a person can have more than 7 Jedi levels wihtout becomming a knight, they just don't get the bonus feat until they are knighted.
    Anakin was a Fringer 1/Jedi Guardian 11 at the beginning of Episode III, and has 1 level Sith Lord at the end.

    And Obi should end ROTS levelling up to 15, right?

    Obi-Wan is most likely a level 13 (Guardian 7/Master 4/Investigator 2) at the start of Episode III, then he'll gain another level of Investigator after killing Greivous (possibly after defeating Anakin), but he'll end Episode III as a level 14.
    The last level of Jedi Master he will earn during Qui-Gon's/The Force's instruction on Tatooine during the 20 year span from Episode III-IV.



  24. NJOfan215 Jedi Grand Master

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    with kazur i agree.

    Effortless skill: I think i see the problem, i think your looking at ulic unconverted stats, or possible his level 11 stats. MAce is a damn good fighter, and so is ulic. Also you might want to check out my new version of deppa bilba. She's mace's padawan.



    Ulic Qel-Droma: Male Human Jedi Guardian 11/Sith Lord 5; Init +3 (Dex); Defense 25 (+12 class, +3 Dex); Spd 10 m; VP/WP 141/16; Atk +22/+17/+12/+7* melee (6d8+4/19-20, lightsaber) or +19/+14/+9/+4 ranged; SQ Deflect (defense +3, attack -1, extend defense and attack), block, resource access, minions; SV Fort +15, Ref +14, Will +10; SZ M; FP 8; DSP 15; Rep +9; Str 17, Dex 16, Con 16, Int 14, Wis 14, Cha 14.

    Equipment: Lightsaber, Sith amulet.
    Ulic has constructed his own saber.

    Skills: Astrogate +6, Bluff +4, Craft (lightsaber) +6, Diplomacy +6, Intimidate +12, Knowledge (Sith lore) +12, Knowledge (Outer Rim systems) +3, Knowledge (Jedi lore) +3, Pilot +8, Read/Write Basic, Read/Write Sith, Repair +8, Ride +5, Speak Arkanian, Speak Basic, Speak Ryl, Speak Sith.

    Force Skills: Battlemind +17, Drain Knowledge +7, Enhance Ability +9, Enhance Senses +6, Farseeing +8, Force Defense +13, Force Grip +12, Force Strike +8, Heal Self +8, Move Object +14, See Force +11, Telepathy +10.

    Feats: Dodge, Exotic Weapon (lightsaber), Force-Sensitive, Heroic Surge, Infamy, Power Attack, Starship Operation (space transports), Weapon Focus (lightsaber), Weapon Group Proficiency (blaster pistols, simple weapons).

    Force Feats: Alter, Burst of Speed, Control, Knight Defense, Lightsaber Defense, Master Defense, Mettle, Rage, Sense.
  25. Ender Sai Chosen One

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    and he was knighted about 2 years before episode 3 (clone wars chapter 21).

    Ah, no.

    Anakin's Knighthood is decided upon after his involvement nit he Battle of Praestylin, which was only months before Episode III in the book Jedi Trial. The Clone Wars are cute but for EU, they don't always observe continuity.

    There is a three year gap between Episodes II and III. By your logic, the Clone Wars up to Chapter 22 (approx) covers less than a year, then the last three chapters cover the rest of he time.

    E_S
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