Discussions Rule of 2 bad for Sith

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  1. Alessandro Sanfilippo Jedi Master

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    Before the implementation of the Rule of 2. There where civilizations of Sith. If you have played SW The Old Republic you will see this.

    It was the true empire, huge army(of soldiers and Sith Lords) it could stand and kill anybody.

    They even took Courusant.

    Then to mantain the Power of the Sith (This guys Dark Bane) Makes the rule of 2. Which Makes really powerful Sith, Since the only way to Surpass your master is by becoming stronger than him, making really really strong generation of Sith Lords, but now you dont have a Huge army of sith lords.

    Whats better

    2 powerful sith or Planets full of Siths Lords
  2. The Supreme Chancellor Force Ghost

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    Well the previous civilizations resulted in in-fighting and the constant rise and fall of the Sith, though they did control large parts of the galaxies at time.

    The Rule of Two however resulted in the eradication of the Jedi and the Sith legally controlling the entire galaxy. For 20 years. More successful than any other Sith philosophy.
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  4. Skywalker_T-65 Force Ghost

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    More importantly, Bane is like 3 thousand years after TOR. One can hardly blame him for that Empire's fall.
  5. DarthJenari Force Ghost

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    Rule of Two.

    It's still to date the most successful rule in history, and the only one that accomplished the Sith's long held dreams of galactic domination and the destruction of the Jedi Order. (Though Darth Krayt's Rule of One was close, and then Vitaite's is probably in 3rd place.) There's strength in numbers, and that's where the old Empire's had the edge, but with those numbers there's always the chance of a band of weaker Sith getting together and killing a stronger Sith. The Rule of Two does away with that risk, and has less risks in general.
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  6. Alessandro Sanfilippo Jedi Master

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    How can you call it Sith rule, when they where only 2. The rest of the empire are just there for the ride, maybe the power or the money. But only 2 people had the sith ideals.
  7. DarthJenari Force Ghost

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    Your point? A Sith's still ruling the galaxy, ergo Sith Rule.
  8. purplerain Force Ghost

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    In the TPM novelization, the Rule of Two makes far more sense.
  9. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    The specific quote:

    The Sith had come into being almost two thousand years ago. They were a cult given over to the dark side of the Force, embracing fully the concept that power denied was power wasted. A rogue Jedi Knight had founded the Sith, a singular dissident in an order of harmonious followers, a rebel who understood from the beginning that the real power of the Force lay not in the light, but in the dark. Failing to gain approval for his beliefs from the Council, he had broken with the order, departing with his knowledge and his skills, swearing in secret that he could bring down those who had dismissed him.

    He was alone at first, but others from the Jedi order who believed as he did and who had followed him in his study of the dark side soon came over. Others were recruited, and soon the ranks of the Sith swelled to more than fifty in number. Disdaining the concepts of cooperation and consensus, relying on the belief that acquisition of power in any form lends control, the Sith began to build their cult in opposition to the Jedi. Theirs was not an order created to serve; theirs was an order created to dominate.

    Their war with the Jedi was vengeful and furious and ultimately doomed. The rogue Jedi who had founded the Sith order was its nominal leader, but his ambition excluded any sharing of power. His disciples began to conspire against him and each other almost from the beginning, so that the war they instigated was as much with each other as with the Jedi.

    In the end, the Sith destroyed themselves. They destroyed their leader first, then each other. What few survived the initial bloodbath were quickly dispatched by watchful Jedi. In a matter of only weeks, all of them died.

    All but one.

    Darth Maul shifted impatiently. The younger Sith had not yet learned his Master's patience; that would come with time and training. It was patience that had saved the Sith order in the end. It was patience that would give them their victory now over the Jedi.

    The Sith who had survived when all of his fellows had died had understood that. He had adopted patience as a virtue when the others had forsaken it. He had adopted cunning, stealth, and subterfuge as the foundation of his way- old Jedi virtues the others had disdained. He stood aside while the Sith tore at each other like kriks and were destroyed. When the carnage was complete, he went into hiding, biding his time, waiting for his chance.

    When it was believed all of the Sith were destroyed, he emerged from his concealment. At first he worked alone, but he was growing old and he was the last of his kind. Eventually, he went out in search of an apprentice. Finding one, he trained him to be a Master in his turn, then to find his own apprentice, and so to carry on their work. But there would only be two at any one time. There would be no repetition of the mistakes of the old order, no struggle between Siths warring for power within the cult. Their common enemy was the Jedi, not each other. It was for their war with the Jedi they must save themselves.

    The Sith who reinvented the order called himself Darth Bane.

    A thousand years had passed since the Sith were believed destroyed, and the time they had waited for had come at last.
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  10. purplerain Force Ghost

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    They killed each other off shortly after their formation, so the Rule of Two makes perfect sense.
  11. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    One thousand years after their formation, roughly, in the TPM version.

    I'm OK with the EU approach of Darth Ruin simply refounding the Sith Order around 2000 BBY rather than creating it for the very first time ever.
  12. purplerain Force Ghost

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    The TPM novelization gave me the impression that the Rule of Two was created shortly after the formation of the Sith, not 1000 years later. I believe that either:
    1. Terry Brooks got confused by GL saying "thousands" and wrote "almost 2000" where he should have written "1000" or "roughly 1000".
    2. Terry Brooks took TPM's reference to "a millenium" and added, "almost 2 millenia, in fact".
    3. 1000 years passed in between Darth Bane and the "extinction" of the Sith.
  13. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    Regardless of how Terry Brooks had it- the EU ended up resolving it as a 1000 year war lasting from Ruin's time to Bane's time.
  14. purplerain Force Ghost

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    umm... ok
  15. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    Sometimes, even if an author may have gotten the wrong end of the stick somehow, the EU takes it and runs with it, and a whole lot of books are written as a result. That's just the way it works with Star Wars.

    On the bright side, the novel and comics set immediately before Bane (Knight Errant) are pretty well regarded.
  16. DarthJenari Force Ghost

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    I think the Rule of Two's better for the EU's inclusion. Bane's realization of the flaws of a large Order makes more sense to me if there have been numerous failed examples beforehand. Also like him destroying the Brotherhood over them just killing them selves off one by one.
  17. Jobertus Jedi Grand Master

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    I don't think the Rule of Two is bad for the Sith, it does have its drawbacks for sure, but then again so does having a legion of Sith. The RoT allows the Sith to largely sit in the background and let their minions do the dirty work, at the very most the Apprentices become the face of the Sith. Maul, Tyrannus (albeit as a clandestine Sith), and Vader all were the face of the Sith leaving Darth Sidious to practically remain a myth--until it was far too late. When it works, it works very well.

    The RoT is my favorite incarnation of the Sith. It is more a guideline than an actual Rule.

    Most of the time, during the confrontation between Master and Apprentice, the stronger Sith will win out and therefore ultimately strengthen the Sith as a result. Late in his run as the Master in the RoT, Darth Bane thought his apprentice Darth Zannah was weak, so he began to look for a replacement for her. This candidate became Darth Zannah's apprentice Darth Cognus, after she killed Bane. Darth Tenebrous underestimated Darth Plagueis and began to train Darth Venamis, Plagueis killed both Tenerbous and Venomous and went on to become arguably the most powerful Sith lord ever. While Darth Sidious was still Plagueis' apprentice he trained Darth Maul to be his apprentice and even began to get the impression that Plagueis would try to replace him with Anakin Skywalker, before he killed Plagueis and took on the mantle of Master. Darth Sidious himself only loosely followed the Rule, manipulating potential Apprentices in the hopes of replacing his current Apprentices. I am eager to see what happens in the future, whether this tenet of the Sith makes a return to the big screen or not.
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  18. purplerain Force Ghost

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    Why?
  19. DarthJenari Force Ghost

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    The first sounds pathetic and stupid, as if the Sith lack any kind of control whatsoever. In general, I never like it any any medium where a group slowly kills itself off.
  20. purplerain Force Ghost

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    I disagree because the whole point of the Rule of Two is to prevent the Sith from slowly killing itself off.
  21. DarthJenari Force Ghost

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    Which is why I like the Rule of Two.
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