Ryan Howard beats Albert Pujols for the NL MVP

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  1. Armenian_Jedi Force Ghost

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    discuss this abomination in this thread.
  2. DarthIntegral Chosen One

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    I'm sure Pujols is heartbroken, especially with the way his season ended.
  3. Rogue...Jedi Administrator Emeritus

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    St Louis finished the regular season very poorly, that may have cost Pujols the award. Still, I think Pujols should have won.
  4. Drew_Atreides Force Ghost

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    Eh, can you really call it an abomination?

    Howard did have a heck of a year. He led the league in homers AND RBI, and .313 is a pretty darned nice average for a power-hitter.

    Heck, as far as importance to his team goes, i'd have ranked Berkman ahead of Pujols, too, though it IS tough to argue that Pujols isn't the best hitter in the league.

    MVP voting is so touchy. Each year, a different argument could be valid. So much politics.
  5. GRAND_MOFF_KEVIN Force Ghost

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    I totally agree, yes Pujols won the World Series and had a great season but the end of his season was sub-par while Howard straight dominated all season.
  6. Darth Tunes SfC Part III Commissioner

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    I think winning it all is much more important for a player, than an MVP award is. Plus, Pujols won it last year, so he shouldn't be complaining.
  7. George_Roper Jedi Grand Master

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    No way Ron Howard was more valuable than Don Most on the Happy Days All-Star team.
  8. Master_Kast7 Jedi Grand Master

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    Yes.




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  9. Reynar_Tedros Force Ghost

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    THANK YOU!

    I'm sick of hearing about players' importance to their teams without a single mention of Berkman! Honestly, imagine where the Astros would stand without him. I can tell you for sure they wouldn't have contended for the postseason.
  10. Master_Kast7 Jedi Grand Master

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    Berkman is very important to the Astros. But more important than Pujols to the Cards? I think not. Now quit being such a homer




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  11. Reynar_Tedros Force Ghost

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  12. RealMadrid Jedi Knight

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    You guys all know that MVP voting is strictly based on their season performance. It has nothing to do with the playoffs or whether or not your team wins the World Series. Ryan Howard had a monster year, leading the majors in HR and RBI as well as batting .313. He definitely deserved to win the MVP. In my mind the NL MVP was between these 3 players.

    Ryan Howard: 104 R, 58 HR, 149 RBI, .313 AVG, 1.084 OPS
    Albert Pujols:119 R, 49 HR, 137 RBI, .331 AVG, 1.102 OPS
    A. Soriano: 119 R, 46 HR, 95 RBI, .277 AVG, 0.911 OPS, 41 SB

    After looking at the actual voting and seeing Soriano come in 6th behind Berkman, Beltran, and Cabrera as well as the two who fought it out it seems that Soriano's low AVG and OPS numbers could have hurt him. Anyway, I'm glad that Ryan Howard won the award. He was extremely valuable to the Phillies last year.
  13. Master_Kast7 Jedi Grand Master

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    Go to the MLB thread where you are proven wrong.
  14. chiss_man Force Ghost

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    Albert had a career year this year. Even with missing 16 games, he still had better numbers than ever before in his career. And Howard had a FAR better second half than first. The voters only looked at August and September, obviously. Those numbers above us prove it. Except HR's and RBI's, Albert beat Howard. Abomination is an approprite word here, IMO.
  15. SLR Jedi Grand Master

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    It was a tough call this year that could have gone either way. I am glad Howard won, as he brought baseball excitement back to Philadelphia this summer.
  16. Master_Kast7 Jedi Grand Master

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    Nah, there was only one way to go and it didn't go that one way.
  17. SLR Jedi Grand Master

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    Actually, no, deciding on the MVP is part objective (numbers) and part subjective (importance to team). There is no objectively right or wrong decision. Reasonable people can disagree as to who it is. This year, the majority of the voters felt it was Howard.
  18. Master_Kast7 Jedi Grand Master

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    It's also common sense which voters haven't had m,uch of the last few years.






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  19. ApolloSmileGirl Jedi Grand Master

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    Do you include last year, when Pujols did win it, Ian?

    Simply put, if Pujols hadn't missed that substantial chunk of the playoffs, I'm sure his stats would have outshined Howard's and he would have won. Especially, considering that the Cardinals actually made it to the playoffs, and actually owned the W.S.

    I'm glad that if Pujols didn't win it, that Howard did. :)
  20. Master_Kast7 Jedi Grand Master

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    I include last year as one of the years but not voting for Pujols, no. Don't go around telling me the voters can't be perfect either. Honestly it's not that hard to look at all around stats and see who's better.



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  21. heels1785 Jedi Draft Commissioner

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    I honestly don't follow the NL that much, but I think Howard's numbers as a sophomore, and the impact he had on the Abreu-less Phillies making a run for a playoff spot were remarkable.

    Good to know it was close, regardless of who won, and that now the National League is going to have some clean, true, young sluggers to overshadow that **** heap Barry Bonds.

    I believed Willie Randolph should have been considered for NL Manager, and I thought Beltran would get more respect for his season in the MVP voting, as well, although fourth was OK. Oh well, I'll stick to the AL.
  22. Drew_Atreides Force Ghost

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    Geeze, Pujols fans. The world isn't going to end because Albert didn't win this season. I'm sure he'll win more MVPs before he's done.

    Besides, you got the bloody World Series!

    What else do you need?
  23. Master_Kast7 Jedi Grand Master

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    No the world isn't over. It's just an abomination. Nobody is saying Howard didn't have a good season and try and carry his team to the playoffs. But Pujols DID carry his team to the playoffs on his back. They barely won their division. And they only won it because of him.

    We're also just showing the stats to back up our statements. The voters ****** up it's that simple. Rather the Cards won the WS or not this is still an abomination.


    NOTE: This isn't perticularly(sp?) directed to you Drew but everybody.








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  24. ApolloSmileGirl Jedi Grand Master

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    I wouldn't put all of the Cardinals success on Pujols back, Kast. He's surrounded with a much better team overall, particularly in batting dept.

    I understand your frustration, and I'm not saying that there is a clear winner out of the two. However, I'm not going to cry foul on Howard, because he was a deserving candidate.
  25. Master_Kast7 Jedi Grand Master

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    So uh without Pujols coming back the Cards make the playoffs? Is that what you're telling me?





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