Saga Starships of the Galaxy

So...has anyone got this yet? List of ships in the book? I plan on picking it up wednesday, but I have heard that people have found it early. I plan on picking this up to work our first clone wars saga chapter with for fandomcomics.com, so I am very interested what people think of the book itself.

There's a thread about it in the lit forum. hopefully it will be one of my christmas presents

ok well im leaving in 15 minutes to go hunt it down since today is the official release date. Ill be back with a full report and my initial thoughts!

Saw it for like $40. I passed for now

Both the barnes and noble and borders by me in chicagoland did not have it in stock. A local gaming shop had it, but was not able to sell it until wednesday for some reason due to clerical error, so I will get it from them tomorrow afternoon and post my review.

the consensus seems to be okay so far.

the gripes I see so far is that turbolaser numbers are given in batteries, which could be anything up to 10 individual turbolasers.

plus there aren't any dimensions for the ships. There are for us rpg nuts in terms of units etc, but not strict meter measurements i guess.

look at me care, i've got official stats for a yt-2000

there were some repeats from the saga core rulebook, which really DOES stink of sloppiness, though i can understand if they want A official starship compendium, A official kotor compendium, etc etc, it just means that those weirdos who don't buy all the sourcebooks can buy one without needing the other.

There's nothing of slopiness about it--it doesn't take that much effort to write up a one-page entry. But some of the stats are updated, some of the stats have different crew ratings, and some of the repeats aren't repeats at all--the core book has the Imperial I SD, and SotG has the Imperial II. Besides, a Gamemaster at the table is much more likely to be helped by having a few repeated stat blocks (which, honestly, don't take up that much space) than by having to have two books open during an encounter.

Also, a lot of people complained about not having images or not having enough information on the ships in the SECR, so this was a chance to give people what they asked for: more information.

Alright, I am about to go lay down and read this cover to cover, but for those who are curious, here is what the book contains:

New Uses/Space Clarification for Talents:

Jedi: Adept Negotiator/Master Negotiator, Battle Meditation, Force Haze, Force Intuition

Noble: Demand Surrender, Rally, Weaken Resolve/Improved Weaken Resolve

Scoundrel: Dastardly Strike, Fool's Luck, Skirmisher, Stellar Warrior, Walk the Line

Scout: Acute Senses, Evasion/Uncanny Dodge, Hidden Movement/Improved Stealth

Soldier: Battle Analysis, Devastating Attack/Penetrating Attack/Weapon Specialization, Draw Fire/Harm's Way, Indomitable

Bounty Hunter: Hunter's Mark

Gunslinger: Debilitating Shot

New Talents:

Sense Tree (Force): Force Reflexes

Lineage Tree (Noble): Engineer

Outlaw Tech Tree (Scoundrel): Fast Repairs, Hot Wire, Quick Fix, Personalized Modifications

Expert Pilot Tree (Ace Pilot): Blind Spot, Close Scrape, Improved Attack Run, Vehicle Focus, Wingman

Gunner Tree (Ace Pilot): Crippling Hit, Great Shot, Synchronized Fire

Squadron Leader Tree (Ace Pilot): Begin Attack Run, Regroup, Squadron Manuevers, Squadron Tactics

Naval Officer (Officer): Combined Fire, Fleet Deployment, Fleet Tactics, It's A Trap!, Legendary Commander

New Uses/Space Clarification For Skills:

Deception, Perception, Stealth, Use Computer

New Uses/Space Clarification For Feats:

Burst Fire, Careful Shot/Deadeye, Coodinated Attack, Dodge, Double Attack/Triple Attack, Dual Weapon Mastery, Far Shot/Point Blank Shot/Rapid Shot, Improved Defenses, Triple Crit, Weapon Focus

New Feats:

Starship Designer, Starship Tactics, Tactical Genius, Tech Specialist

Starship Manuevers:

Ackbar Slash, Afterburn, Angle Deflector Shields, Attack Formation Zeta-9, Attack Pattern Delta, Corellian Slip, Counter, Darklighter Spin, Devastating Hit, Engine Hit, Evasive Action, Explosive Shot, Howlrunner Formation, I Have You Now, Intercept, Overwhelming Assault, Segnor's Loop, Shield Hit, Skim The Surface, Skywalker Loop, Snap Roll, Strike Formation, Tallon Roll, Target Lock, Target Sense, Thruster Hit, Wotan Weave

Starship Codex:

Capitol Ships:
Rothana Heavy Engineering Acclamator-Class Assault Ship
Rothana Heavy Engineering Acclamator-II-Class Assault Ship
Banking Clan Munificent-Class Frigate
Damorian Manufacturing Carrack Class Light Cruiser
HK Recusant-Class Light Destroyer
CEC CR90 Corvette
CEC CR70 Corvette (with instructions and build times to modify CR70 to CR90)
Rendili StarDrive Dreadnaught
Rendili StarDrive Outbound Flight
Gozanti Cruiser
Gozanti Cruiser (Krayt's Honor)
CEC Gunship
Hapan Battle Dragon
Hapan Nova Cruiser
KDY Imperial-II Star Destroyer
Rendili StarDrive Victory-II Star Destroyer
KDY Pelleaon-Class Star Destroyer
Immobilizer 418 Interdictor Class Heavy Cruiser
KDY Vindicator Class Heavy Cruiser
Rendili StarDrive Imperial Customs Corvette (light corvette)
KDY Lancer Class Frigate
Sienar Marauder Class Corvette
Mon Calamari MC80 Cruiser
Mon Calamari MC80 Cruiser Home One (MC80B?)
Mon Calamari Star Defender
New Republic Nebula Class Star Destroyer
KDY Nebulon-B Frigate
Rebel Assault Frigate Mk 1 (Modified dreadnaught)
Rebel Assault Frigate Mk 2 (modified Dreadnaught)
KDY Star Galleon Class Frigate
Loronar Corp Strike-Class Medium Cruiser
Fondor Shipyards Super Star Destroyer
Fondor Shipyards Super Star Destroyer Lusankya
Fondor Shipyards Super Star Destroyer Eclipse
SFS IPV-1 System Patrol Craft
HK Drive Lucrehulk Class Battleship
HK Drive Lucrehulk Class Droid Control Ship
HK Drive Lucrehulk Class Core Ship
Venator Class Star Destroyer

Starfighters:
KSE Delta-7 Aethersprite Interceptor
Incom/Subpro ARC-170 Starfighter
Dodonna Blissex A-Wing Starfighter
Slayn & Korpil B-Wing Starfighter
Slayn & Korpil B-Wing/E2 Starfighter
Slayn & Korpil B-Wing Shuttle
Chiss Clawcraft
KSE Cloakshape Fighter (with mod stats for either/or Manuevering Jets, Hyperdrive Sled, and R2)
Vong Coralskipper
BAW Vulture Mk 1 Variable

I should have evenly spread my capitals-for-boldness in that paragraph, because the sloppiness statement stands out more than what comes after it. As you said, and me but in less emphatic lower case, it means you've got one book for one thing, so if you want that one thing, it's in 'this' book, rather than thinking hmm, were those yt-2400 stats in the core or SotG. Depending on your point of view, it could be seen as well organised or something used by idle game developers as filler. As I myself would want a handbook with one clear purpose and one with another, i'm about 75-25 towards the organised part, and I haven't seen the book yet.

I've been pretty excited about this book and Amazon will be delivering mine within the week. I'm really looking forward to trying out the new construction/modification rules. I like the idea of having templates for ships and more of a focus on modifying existing stock designs. I rarely if ever go through the hassle of designing a ship from scratch. I either just stick with stock configurations (that I have stats for) or swap some weapons/armor/shields/cargo and call it a day. Saga Edition actually made this process easier.

I've got it but haven't had a proper chance to look through it thoroughly. The starship combat section of the Saga core rulebook is still probably the only section i haven't looked at properly either. I'm liking the thoroughness though, I'm no fleet junky, but there is just a ton of stuff there, can't think of many stock ships that aren't in there, glad the k-wing made it, but where was the stealth-x, being saved up I guess.

I suppose I'd like it if there were a bit more depth with the starship parts, a compendium or something. Brands etc, different engine types, sensor suites, turbolasers, things like that. What else will freighter captains brag about in the cantina but their newly installed quad laser. Bought through a friend of a friend at KDY at a knockdown price. So your Sorosuub packs more of a punch, but what will that matter if you can't get near me because of the bigger range?

It's like blokes and cars, y'know.

The need to compensate for percieved short-comings?

Bingo

I got my copy of SotG earlier this week and have really been enjoying it. As I expected I really like the ship modification rules along with the stock ships listing. The new ship creation rules make it much easier to port ships from d6 stats since you don't need to worry about point for point conversions, you simply pick the equivalent equipment and stick it on the equivalent stock ship chassis. The ships codex contains an impressive number of ships from all different eras.

My only real complaint is a lack of good fluff that was far more common in the West End books. In Tramp Freighters and Platt's Starport Guide there was a ton of fluff text that often suggested really good adventure hooks. The only d20 book to really compare in terms of fluff text was the Rebellion Era Sourcebook. I appreciate that verbosity costs publishers money but I miss the fluff sidebars that helped fill the West End books. I was however quite happy to see a sidebar covering BoSS. I don't recall the BoSS ever being mentioned in previous RCR or OCR books so it was a pleasant addition in my mind.

Yeah, the BOSS stuff was the one thing in the book that almost made me buy it. I think the last time it was covered in-depth was Cracken's Rebel Field Guide back in WEG.