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Lit Sam Witwer "Karen Traviss, She Didn't Get Everything Right"

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Robimus, Jan 27, 2013.

  1. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    Nice pictures.
     
  2. GGrievous

    GGrievous Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Seems legit
     
  3. Robimus

    Robimus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    The great part is that this all isn't true :p
     
  4. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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    Yep, just makes it all the sadder that the characters she murdered have some of the best char pics. [face_plain]
     
  5. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 6 VIP

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    Is it seriously so easy to whip you people into an anti-Traviss froth that you're lamenting the death of Thrackan Sal-Solo?
     
  6. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 9

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    Thanks largely to the sterling work by Jason Fry and the like, with The Essential Atlas and The Essential Guide to Warfare.
     
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  7. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    I never liked Thrackan Sal-Solo since reading the Solo trilogy. Never read the Corellian trilogy, but I'm sure he didn't get better with age.
     
  8. mnjedi

    mnjedi Jedi Master star 3

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    It’s nice to see that Sam knows/cares enough about the EU to have his own opinions on it. whether or not I agree with it is another matter entirely, but it is cool to see him passionate about star wars.
     
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  9. Gorefiend

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    He Sal Solo was alarmingly more awesome than usual Bantam villains like Brakiss, Kueller, Daala or Hethir, plus his part in the NJO was rather enjoyable. He certainly deserved better then just getting blastered in his office, as did Pellaeon for that matter. [face_plain]
     
  10. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 9

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    Traviss actually seemed to like Pellaeon, a lot, going by the way she wrote him in No Prisoners and LoTF.

    But liking a character isn't necessarily a barrier to killing them off.
     
  11. DARTH_MU

    DARTH_MU Jedi Master star 4

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    Is this a Traviss bashing thread?
    Cause if it is, I want no part in it.
     
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  12. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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    No she liked the way she wrote him, which like the way she write Boba just dosen't mesh with the rest of their story. [face_sigh]

    If you have the option to have one of the most beloved EU characters, know as a military naval leader, die during a space battle, it should not be by him getting shoot in the back in his office by a shrill blond girl, but going down guns blazing in the command chair. [face_plain]
     
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  13. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 9

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    The OP seemed to be defending Traviss against the implication by Witwer that she ignored established info about Order 66.
     
  14. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    If disagreeing with her can be considered bashing, then possibly, but it isn't a Traviss bashing thread.
     
  15. MistrX

    MistrX Jedi Master star 4

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    That was the entire reason K'Kruhk refused to fight for a while.

    I doubt that Traviss or no, Mara would have made it out of LOTF alive.
     
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  16. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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    Who knows, with the general lack of planning ahead or authorial cooperation the series showed anything seems to have been possible.
     
  17. MistrX

    MistrX Jedi Master star 4

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    They had some overall ideas, though. I can't imagine you can decide to kill Mara without some input from the top.
     
  18. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 9

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    In the Inferno round robin interview, it seems like it was established early on that Jacen had to kill somebody he loved- somebody important- and after Traviss suggested Mara they all eventually agreed on it.
     
  19. Gorefiend

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    Tenel would actually be the more logical conclusion to come up with, because you know he was actually in love with her.

    Not that I am complaining about characters dying or anything but Traviss was apparently out to have them die in about as unglamorous ways as possible (mind crushed, shoot in the back, sneakily poised and left to die), even though she first even mentions (in that very interview) how its usual to have characters go out in blazes of glory. Which is especially jarring because each of her 3 books would have provided numerous opportunities for that very thing to happen in each of these characters.
     
  20. GGrievous

    GGrievous Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    To Sam Witwer: Opinion noted.
     
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  21. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 6 VIP

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    As opposed to being shot in the back by a mild-mannered blond girl?
     
  22. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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    At least have him shoot in the chest by a calm brunet. :p
     
  23. Karohalva

    Karohalva Jedi Knight star 2

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    I miss him. He was a good demagogue, his quality as a character being specifically because he is contemptible.
     
  24. Robimus

    Robimus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I suspect if Pellaeon had gone out in a blaze of glory on the bridge of the Bloodfin we would be hearing about how cliched and unoriginal his death was.;)
     
  25. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 9

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    Given that Morals seem to be one of Traviss's pet peeves- I think that was the theme she went with, with Pellaeon - a physically weak but morally strong man- willingly making the moral choice in the face of certain death.
     
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