JCC Scottish Independence Referendum Thread

And it's official!

 

So it's a solid NO.

 

Who's ender going to explode at now?

 

Sorry Maik. Your arguments were never compelling though.

 

So, was it was done by electorate, not overall (ie. "Popular") vote? Ifso, wtf?

 

You, Juliet, Tunick... the usuals.

 

I was scared about this.

Don't know what it says about me that I felt more comfortable getting my updates from this thread, than anywhere official.

 

what thread have you been posting in? surely not the one where ive been consistently predicting a "no" result

 

Thanks Jay.

Also, sorry Proclaimers.

 

Also, sorry Franz Ferdinand.


Wait, I thought he got shot.

 

Oddly enough, "Take Me Out" came up on shuffle on my iPod on the way home from work. Signs!!

 

Sure but you were pro-Independence no?

 

Well, this is certainly deflating news; at least Glasgow had a majority 'yes' vote.

 

I think you should know by now that we don't get to choose what side we're on in a thread where Ender is involved.

 

Why exactly is it deflating, Tunes? Because Scots had he good sense not to follow the leading party of the day over a potential cliff? They didn't allow an emotional nationalist movement to permanently alter the lives of everyone in their nation?

I don't see what Yes supporters have to be all that depressed about. Obviously losing is never fun, but if Scotland doesn't get the increased powers they are looking for and things are genuinely that bad for them, they can try again later. It's losing the battle but not the war. If the SNP really has Scotland's best interest at heart, they won't wait for another independence vote. They'll use this leverage to get more powers now. And if they don't, they're bastards who are hoping to see Scotland flounder in the UK for the sake of setting up a try for independence again.

The bottom line is: you can vote no and decide to vote yes later, but the reverse is not true. Scotland can only vote yes once, and to do so with the insanely under-prepared SNP leadership of today at the helm would have been madness.

 

"Fear tactics" as opposed to outright lying about the likely economic consequences akin to US Republicans describing consensus in the scientific community on Global Warming?

Good to see it will likely be a significant margin, so that the independence movement should fizzle fairly quickly.

 

Yes, the fear tactic of "um guys, if these people don't even really know what they are going to do for currency, do they really seem like the people we should trust to establish an entirely new country...?" What an unreasonable and fear-mongering question! How dare you Better Together. How dare you.

 

solojones You make a great point about how there can be another vote of this nature in the future, about the leverage Scotland can now possibly have... it's deflating in that for me, the fallout from it would have been greatly intriguing to follow -more so in some respects than what'll happen now- , and the very idea of independence from the U.K. for 'em is one I'm inherently in favor of.

 

A pretty good look at the aftermath of the vote. It does not paint a very rosy picture.

 

Muhahahahaha Scotland votes no. The highlands got more no votes than yes votes. I won a a bet running at school. Only one who predicted a no vote. My Scottish side has no failed me.

 

Did it all come down to Florida?

 

What rules did they use for hanging chads?