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PT "Seeing you alive brings warm feelings to my heart"

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by StartCenterEnd, Oct 7, 2017.

  1. StartCenterEnd

    StartCenterEnd Jedi Master star 3

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    Yoda really likes Padme and admires her as a leader and thinks she is so very vital and necessary for the galaxy and the Republic. He probably admires her because of her courage yes but mostly her pacifism She is probably the strongest pacifist in the senate. If you think about it, if Padme defeated the military creation act as she wanted and succeeded in getting the trade federation and other corporate guilds broken up, the republic would have had no clone army, the war would not have started and Palpatine could not have become Emperor.

    I never noticed this before but I think it's pretty cool that Yoda has this inkling that the galaxy needs Padme.
     
  2. Master Endz-One

    Master Endz-One Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I believe Yoda feels she's good for the Republic, he also remembers her as a young lady and has good feelings seeing her alive. I do think Yoda likes seeing good hearted young individuals develop into strong good women and men. I believe he feels joy in teaching younglings as well.
     
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  3. The Supreme Chancellor

    The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Master star 4

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    Did he have to add in the "alive" though? Adds in the darkness of her impending assassination to an otherwise bright warm moment of safety.
     
  4. DARTHLINK

    DARTHLINK Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Possibly he said that in relief? He’s relieved that she’s alive and OK for the most part.
     
  5. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 4

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    He's grown attached to her.
     
  6. ezekiel22x

    ezekiel22x Force Ghost star 5

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    A wonderful little scene. Despite the trying circumstances in which the meeting takes place, I love how the scene serves as a snapshot of normalcy in that we see both Yoda's warmth and Padme being appreciative but focused on her job. This is in contrast to Yoda's relative coldness in meeting Anakin for the first time, as well as the awkward manner in which he tests Luke upon meeting him on Dagobah. Very cool to see a more "relaxed" Yoda even in a time of great stress and trouble. Part of why I love the PT so much is how seemingly small scenes like this add up to broaden the overall Star Wars canvas. Scenes like this are why AOTC more so than any other entry to me presents a legitimately lived-in filmic world.
     
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  7. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    That's downright logical.

    No. It just means that he is expresses his feelings that she survived due to the planning of her security detail. The same way that he expressed his feelings towards the Wookiees when he left and when Obi-wan saw his friend Dex.
     
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  8. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 4

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    Doesn't sound like he's prepared to let them go. In fact he declares he will miss them not long after telling Anakin not to miss ones you lose.
     
  9. Seagoat

    Seagoat PT and Music Section Dictator star 5 Staff Member Manager

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    Yoda x Tarfful x Chewie OT3

    As for topic....

    while I think it's certainly true Yoda sees Padme's importance politically, I think that lines just more like "Yo, I'm glad you're alive". Yoda's the type of person who values all life, and he's certainly the type to abhor murder
     
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  10. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    If he was attached, why did he leave and not stay? That's what Anakin would have done. Yoda is able to leave because he is not attached to them and he doesn't know what their fates are, because the Clonetroopers could very well kill them. He will miss them, but he is not attached to them. He is not worried about their fates. Anakin has already buried Padme before anything has happened and he's missing her while she is still there.
     
  11. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 4

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    Anakin spends more time not in Padme's company than in it during this movie. So using your logic he was well prepared to let her go at any moment.
     
  12. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Anakin still comes home to Padme, every night. Anakin made a commitment to her. He became attached to her. Yoda did not make a commitment to the Wookiees to stay and fight after Order 66 came down. He insisted that the Wookiees help him leave so that he can deal with the situation at hand. He is not attached to the Wookiees. When he leaves, he doesn't know that they will die or live. He has let them go when he has chosen to leave Kashyyyk. Anakin has already seen Padme die and believes it to be inevitable. He has already decided to do whatever it takes to save her when he's sitting in the living room of Padme's apartment, based on a vow that he made three years ago at his mother's grave.
     
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  13. StartCenterEnd

    StartCenterEnd Jedi Master star 3

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    Yeah, I don't know if Yoda shuns all feelings PERIOD. He just sees it as a constant struggle to learn to let go of those he cares about. At the same time Yoda isn't this emotionless machine. He feels emotions, he forms attachments whether he wants to or not, but as he tells Anakin, his response is to train himself to let go of everything he fears to lose. That doesn't mean it's easy for Yoda either. You can tell when he's leaving the wookiees, it's very difficult for him and he looks to be about to burst into tears but he does it anyway. He does look sad when Padme dies as well. I don't think Jedi are supposed to not have compassion for lifeforms. Their entire mission in life is to prevent as much death and suffering as possible. When Yoda says not to miss or mourn people who die, he doesn't mean not to be sorry for their death, he's just guarding against missing them because you were attached to them and greedily want to possess them forever. Anakin was sad Padme died because he wanted her forever, to keep her as his love. Yoda felt sadness over Padme's death because the galaxy lost a great leader and a good person died an early tragic death. Contrast Obi Wan checking for Padme's life signal after Anakin choked her while Anakin does not. Anakin greedily wants to possess Padme because he's attached to her but Obi Wan is simply concerned about Padme because she's a sentient life form who suffered an injury. Compassion verses possession is key here I think.

    It makes Yoda more complex. He struggles with the same issue all Jedi do, he's just able to overcome while others do not. Though I do understand how some can see him as a bit of a hypocrite.
     
  14. B3

    B3 Force Ghost star 6

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    Yoda and Padmé had clearly formed a bond over their mutual appreciation of Geonosian architecture and city planning.
     
  15. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 4

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    So, essentially - No attachments except the kind of attachments that you see Yoda acknowledging or expressing.
     
  16. StartCenterEnd

    StartCenterEnd Jedi Master star 3

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    I can't speak for anyone else but that's not what I'm saying. I was just pointing out how it's an on-going struggle for all Jedi, even Yoda. It's not like once you become a master you never have attachments but you are better at dealing with and moving on from it.
     
  17. {Quantum/MIDI}

    {Quantum/MIDI} Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Marty, I am attempting to take you as seriously as possible but I'm not sure you understand the context here. Yoda does nothing in the film to display attachment to anyone. He only expresses his genuine care for her.
     
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  18. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 4

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    That's because you're filtering people's actions through the spurious concept, devised expressly to explain Anakin's turn to the darkside, i.e. attachment is bad, forbidden, the darkside. He is expressing an emotional attachment. He realises he will never see the Wookies again so he'll miss them. I can't think of any logical, practical or pragmatic reason Yoda could have for wanting to be around Wookies



    You and I both know that actual emotional attachment is not as clear cut as that. People are able to compartmentalise and cope with absence or death and still be honest to the emotional connections we have. Like when Yoda spontaneously acknowledges that he will miss Chewbacca. Even though he's told Anakin he must not do this. And he didn't say "depending on the specific context". If context was important it would have been an explicit part of the code.

    Maybe it's deliberate and meant to show us that in spite of the what they say, council members allow themselves latitude that they don't permit other Jedi to enjoy.
     
  19. {Quantum/MIDI}

    {Quantum/MIDI} Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    In context, he was talking about when someone died and became one with the force no?

    Human morality is not as clear cut as it seems to be, I agree.

    But attachment implies "binding" to one another and Yoda has not shown himself to do so..

    "An enduring emotional bond that develops between one adult and another in an intimate relationship"
     
  20. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 4

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    But the Jedi code is unambiguously prohibitive of attachment. There is not mitigating context or extenuating provided by the Jedi code or whatever is deemed to be the Jedi way. This is what is indoctrinated into younglings and demanded of Jedi knights.

    It is prohibitive in order to pre-empt any risk of an unconscionable error of judgement and behavior as a result of an dysfunctional person forming a dysfunctional relationship with someone or something that they have some emotional attachment to, not matter how normal the nature of the attachment may be in the first place.

    What Yoda is shown doing is reflecting the actual complexion of normal human emotion, including emotional attachments, which most people can cope with. And it is in direct opposition with what he tells Anakin he must and must not do. In other words, it's do as Yoda says, but not as he does.

    And the occasion that prompts Yoda to do this is the knowledge or at least the belief that he is never going to see Chewbacca again. That's no different from missing someone who is dead.

    Anakin wasn't bound to his mother except by birth and blood. He was effectively emancipated and set free. Yet his attachment, by birth and not choice, is the cause of his descent into fear, anger hatred greed.
     
  21. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Again, not an attachment. Yoda had friends who he left behind to fend for themselves, because he had a duty elsewhere to perform. He doesn't shirk his duty to the Republic to stay on Kashyyyk. He doesn't lose control of his emotions. He even goes into seclusion on Dagobah, rather than go back to Kashyyyk.

    Because he's friends with the Wookiees. Jedi are allowed to have friendships. Obi-wan is friends with Bail, Dex, Jar Jar, Cody, Rex, Ahsoka and Padme. Kanan is friends with Hera, Sabine and Zeb. Same with Ezra, who also counts Hondo as a friend as well. Anakin saw Jar Jar as a friend, as well as Rex. Luke was friends with Han, Chewie, Biggs, Wedge, Janson and Lando. Rey is friends with Finn, Han and Chewie. The Jedi are allowed and encouraged to make friends. They just cannot form attachments to people.
     
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  22. CT-867-5309

    CT-867-5309 Force Ghost star 6

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    removed - no personal attacks
     
  23. {Quantum/MIDI}

    {Quantum/MIDI} Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    quote removed - no personal attacks

    Surly I still have some Midiclorian bars left to feed him...
     
  24. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 4

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    Miss them, do not / Miss you, I will.

    It's about as clear a contradiction in terms as you can get.

    If Yoda practiced what he preached then he would have said - Miss you, I must not.
     
  25. DARTHLINK

    DARTHLINK Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    No. No, not really.

    Yoda CAN miss someone in terms of grieving over the fact he can’t stay with his Wookie friends. What he can’t do is let his emotions govern him, forcing him to stay even though he’s really needed elsewhere.

    In terms of “Miss them, do not”, he means not letting grief blind you and control your life. Yes, feel sad that someone you cared about has died, but don’t let it rule you.
     
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