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Lit Sequel Trilogy or NJO story, which was the better choice?

Discussion in 'Literature' started by QuiWanKenJin, Jul 17, 2017.

  1. Stymi

    Stymi Force Ghost star 4

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    They're asterisks...

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  2. SpecForce Trooper

    SpecForce Trooper Jedi Master star 4

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  3. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    The NJO was also way more mature yes sometimes the good guys lose.
     
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  4. SpecForce Trooper

    SpecForce Trooper Jedi Master star 4

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    Rey can't lose.
     
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  5. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Precisely she's a Mary Sue.
     
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  6. SpecForce Trooper

    SpecForce Trooper Jedi Master star 4

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    Watch out. You can't say that. They'll tear you up. I do agree, though.
     
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  7. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    If you have a complaint, I advise you to use anything other than Gary Stu or Mary Stu to describe it since it's a term which means nothing and has no value as a descriptor.
     
  8. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    If she were a man, you would not be calling her a Mary Sue, which is precisely the problem.
     
  9. DARTH_MU

    DARTH_MU Jedi Master star 4

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    ?

    Edit: If Rey were a man, can we call him a Gary Stu?
     
  10. SpecForce Trooper

    SpecForce Trooper Jedi Master star 4

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    There isn't a curse filter as far as I know.
     
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  11. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Rey has no character flaws, is awesome at everything, and so on and so forth.

    She learns about lightsabers they day before she defeats Ren is one particularly egregious example.
     
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  12. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    I complain that Rey having lots of Force powers spontaneously is a problem. I feel the same with Luke.

    HOWEVER, I love her actual character as she's quite entertaining.

    All valid complaints.

    And you lost me. Completely.

    I'm actually writing a female led novel right now.
     
  13. Stymi

    Stymi Force Ghost star 4

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    No...there abso****inglutely is!

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  14. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I lost you where are politics and cultural tastes more than likely diverge. Though I am glad we agree on the first two points.

    I do admit Daisy Ridley has some charm but I don't particularly care for the character.
     
  15. SpecForce Trooper

    SpecForce Trooper Jedi Master star 4

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    Im not gonna experiment.
    Stymi
     
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  16. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Who the actual **** said they were "tired of female leads"?

    We'll talk about it when we can go about 100 years into the future (inclusion of the number of years of movie making, approximately) and there are about 100 times more female leads than male leads (approximately the percentage of male leads vs female leads in movie making history).

    Until that point this is just blatant misogyny.
     
  17. Stymi

    Stymi Force Ghost star 4

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    True to BBL form. Pretty much says it all right there. Color me not at all surprised.

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  18. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    2 Solo kids dead. The last Solo child killed her brother, the Skywalker/Solo family didn't even try to save him, Mara was killed in a bad way, Daala was in charge of the galaxy, plot lines not wrapped up, but kicked down the road, the OT Big 3 still on the galactic stage facing threats
    NEU-The only Skywalker/Solo descendant (that we know of at the moment depending on Rey and Finn's parentage) falling to the Dark Side, destroying Luke's Academy and killing Han Solo, the Big 3 being separated for most of the time, Han losing the Falcon for years, Leia hiding the Vader parentage and the fall out of it from Bloodline, the New Republic not doing anything about the FO, the COS being so irrelevant, The NR getting wiped out in TFA like it did. Han and Chewie on their own as smugglers, Leia still fighting the Empire and remnants. Point to the EU for moving on past that and putting the Empire into a new position in the galactic order of things.

    Just as depressing imo. At least the Yuuzhan Vong, Killiks and Abeloth were interesting imo,
     
  19. DARTH_MU

    DARTH_MU Jedi Master star 4

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    In my mind there is nothing wrong with strong female leads or strong male leads.

    The characters need to have earned their status with hard work.

    And if some characters are Mary Sues/Gary Stus they shoudl just own it. If they deserve the title, it should not matter their gender.

    Wouldn't be fair to say Character A is a Gary Stu! and then turn around and say you can't say Character B is a Mary Sue! She's female! when they have the exact same flaws.
     
  20. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    The empire actually evolved as an institution-so much so that in a hundred and thirty years aliens could be stormtroopers.
     
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  21. jamminjedi23

    jamminjedi23 Jedi Master star 5

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    This thread is officially stupid now.
     
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  22. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Here's a thought: don't use a description that depends on the gender of the character. Just say that the character is a pet or too flawless.

    Stymi, I don't think the BBL people are generally misogynists.
     
  23. Darth_Duck

    Darth_Duck Chosen One star 5

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    That's unfair to a number of people and needlessly provocative.

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  24. jamminjedi23

    jamminjedi23 Jedi Master star 5

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    Probably not. But they are just pulling stuff out of their you know what now just for the sake of bashing.
     
  25. DARTH_MU

    DARTH_MU Jedi Master star 4

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    So.,..

    All Bring Back Legend people are against female leads, in your mind?
     
  26. Stymi

    Stymi Force Ghost star 4

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    They ran the gamut of different kinds of discrimination... especially sexual orientation. Wendig in particular was pushing a "gay agenda."

    Not all but enough.

    I think you are forgetting just how much bigotry was popping up for a bit.

    And I was rather glad and proud how quickly and severely the mods stomped that **** to the ground.

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