Sexism policy

I'm going to be honest here - I can't figure out why you brought it up unless in support of an agenda or similar alterior motive?

 

You assign whatever agenda or ulterior motive to it you like to it for me - your going to anyway.

I just thought it relevant to the discussion at hand.

 

I wasn't aware that site staff had made a final determination on the issues being brought up at this point.

 

I remain of the view that there is nothing wrong at all with a little "affirmative action" when it comes to moderating sexism which is aimed at the objectification of women. In the same way that affirmative action is appropriate to address systemic and cultural discrimination against women in the workforce, it is perfectly fine to single out threads which deal with female actors in the JCC. The whole "you must address sexism against women and men equally" argument is only valid where such sexism exists in equal proportions in society. We all know this is not the case and so it is appropriate to focus on the systemic sexism against women as this is way more prevalent.

In other words, when the scales are imbalanced you need to put more weight on one side to bring the balance back.

 

And also, it was already pretty clearly responded to, insofar as taking a red herring and giving it the courtesy of a serious answer. I just don't see what else could be added.

 

For some reason I'm clearly unwelcome in this discussion by you Ender, so I will depart. No need for any more mud slinging at me.

 

IMHO, I argue for some moderator discretion - obviously a photo of Leia in a bikini in a costume thread is okay, even if tirelessly repetitive - but a string of the same photos posted 10 posts in a row with "I'd hit that" has changed the context.

Should Leia be in a bikini for the newest movie and it's posted, it should be allowable to post it and have it be admired - no different than AFS liking the bare-chested Anakin photo (she doesn't drool over it- at least in public). Or the Ewan fans admiring the latest photo of him and talking about his latest charity actions (and incidentally, getting snarky comments from some posters to the point that I no longer post there to avoid getting some of those comments possibly directed at me).

It's fairly easy to tell the objectifying of the photo subject versus admiration, of which the physical body is just one aspect.

 

Well said, Valairy, and so long as you're not terrifying in that Ewan thread, you'll be safe.

See Robimus - the point at which your concerns could be seen as legitimate was earlier on when we addressed these points in detail. So forgive me but I see an attempt to 'seriously' discuss an image drooling over a terrible and paper thin character as an attempt to undermine gender equality by stealth. If you are actually worried about some sort of man-hating dystopia emerging here, I've literally no idea what to say to you. We are trying to eliminate the point at which an entire gender feels preyed upon, valued for aesthetics, and otherwise disenfranchised in our society by not tolerating it here. What is objectionable about that?

 

Is it possible for an online community to start with good intentions of feminism, but gradually transform into a misandric dystopia? Yes.

This one? Very unlikely. There's too much diverse user traffic.

I know where you're coming from, Robimus, but you don't have anything to worry about.

 

Misandric Dystopia is a great name for a heavy metal band.

 

Considering the large number of idiots on this forum who we can't force to grow more/better brain cells - I honestly don't think I've ever been bothered by the occasional sexist posts. I guess I sort of figure stupid mindsets go hand in hand with stupid people. I mean unless there's actual harassment going on, then that's a different story altogether. In which case wasn't that already addressed during Sapientgate and then slowly dismantled by Grimby?

 

Well, Sith-Lord-Gunray, while you most certainly have a point, I think the issue is less the occasional sexist posts rather than tolerating a culture of sexism, even if advertently. It's the disrespect and the toleration of it that is the issue, be it here or in the wider society.

 

discreetcoughhttp://boards.theforce.net/threads/lets-talk-about-sexism.50014948/

 

"I don't have any experience so I have no input lulz." in the OP.

Valairy Scot - I'm not going to start telling people that things they're offended by shouldn't make them feel offended. However I think the root of this problem is lazy, cowardly modding that's become a poor habit post Obiwan506 administration. And by that, I'm not addressing all of MS, there are some great mods doing their job. As a whole, there's been a great attitude of overlooking conflict and sweeping some forms of conflict and harassment (some minor) under the rug, hoping that it will disappear. I'm speaking entirely from observation and not about my own personal problems on here. Obviously this crap is going to build up over time and then we get stuff like...comms threads on sexism with a lot of disgruntled users. Even the smallest form of offensive/harassing posts are still offensive/harassing. **** needs to be addressed.

I mean I could go on about the craptastic use of having unlimited forum power but I've been going on about that way too long. And really, who cares.

 

Naw, my point was more that you had highlighted the harassment factor earlier. Plus that thread is a goldmine for dudes wanting to not talk about sexism because it makes them uncomfortable.

 

So, how are we tracking ModSquad?

 

Is there going to be some sort of solution that everyone agrees on?

 

i don't think that's possible.

 

I'm of the view that if it was amenable to all, then it would be impossibly ineffectual. Something like this will challenge people, and it should. If you get pulled up for sexism, chances are...

 

I think it's possible to have a reasonable sexism policy without being overly politically correct. If someone is trolling, i.e., saying offensive things about women in general, then it shouldn't be allowed, but if someone is expressing reasonable views that are not in the majority, then it should be allowed.

 

the problem is that in most cases, the ones that are saying offensive things about women in general thinks that they're just expressing reasonable views that are not in the majority.

 

Right well, that's where the moderators come in.