Amph Sherlock - new BBC series from Steven Moffat

Discussion in 'Community' started by Mar17swgirl, Jul 21, 2010.

  1. Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon Jedi Grand Master

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    I haven't read the details of the CBS show, but I feel like this should be a difficult case to make.

    I mean, just from the jumping-off point of "modern-day Sherlock Holmes", it seems like there would inevitably be a lot of things that come off rather identical, especially given how much the BBC show pulled from the original books.

    Not to say this isn't a crappy thing for CBS to pull, but if all they're copying is "modern-day Holmes" and the rest of the similarities come from "we're modernizing the same source material" I don't know that the BBC will have a case.

    Remember Deep Impact/Armageddon?
  2. halibut Chosen One

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    And Hustle/Leverage

    And those examples aren't even about material that is out of copyright.

    It's like what happened when Nigel Kennedy got to number one with Vivaldi's Four Seasons. Every other violinist then brought out their own version. Out of copyright, can't sue.

    I'm very surprised the BBC are doing this. I expect it's for the publicity for its own show more than anything.
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    And Antz/A Bug's Life

    Finding Nemo/Shark's Tale

    The list is endless.*

    *Well, not actually endless, but it's pretty damned long
  4. Chewgumma Chosen One

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    I don't think the law suit will be based off of the fact that both shows are modern day Holmes adaptations though. It's probably going to be based more off whether Elementary steals stylisticaly from Sherlock.

    For example if Elementary has Sherlock's rather cool expositionary device where text on a phone/computer appears in mid air for the audience to see then there would be a case that Elementary has actively stolen from Sherlock.
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    Yes. I assume it's those little touches that the BBC hope will remain signature.
  6. EBSaints Force Ghost

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    Snow White and the Huntsman/Mirror Mirror
  7. Jedi knight Pozzi Force Ghost

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    http://www.tvshark.com/read/?art=arc8597

    Interesting.
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    I agree with that article that this is probably at least partly an attempt to distance themselves from Sherlock. And I do think it will help fully squash the lawsuit (which, frankly, I didn't see as having a very good chance of succeeding anyway).

    Unfortunately I think this quite obviously means they will, in fact, turn a large focus of the show to a will-they-won't-they relationship (spoilers: they will). They will totally Starbuck and Apollo them. Which isn't necessarily wrong or anything, but is just kind of eye-rollingly predictable in this particular case. And isn't one bit surprising for a CBS adaptation. I feel like the way Sherlock deals with that situation (there, to me at least, clearly being no sexual tension between the characters but everyone in the universe hilariously mistaking them for a couple) is apt and nicely done. But I'm also sure for a network US show, it's way more appealing to just chuck that sort of thing to the wind and embrace it instead... so long as it's now heterosexual, of course.


    I don't really want to wish anything bad on Miller, who is indeed a good actor. But I really wish this show would tank. I have a feeling it's going to be exactly the kind of dumbed down travesty one would expect from the premise of 'CBS does a Sherlock Holmes show!' But this being CBS and their audience being what it is, I can easily see such an obvious version of the story being a big hit.


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  10. Mar17swgirl Chosen One

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    Looks like Moffat is concentrating on Series 7 and the 50th Anniversary this year. Good. :D
  11. Everton Chosen One

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    I agree with Mar on this issue.
  12. Darth Guy Chosen One

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    Darn. I have way more interest in Sherlock. :p
  13. Mar17swgirl Chosen One

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    I've just watched the pilot of "Elementary".

    Wow. That was unbelievably bland and boring. It's obvious that "Elementary" took more than just one leaf out of "Sherlock"'s book (modern setting, the coat+scarf combo, some of Sherlock's mannerisms), but I'm sorry, Jonny Lee Miller is nowhere near the same league as Benedict Cumberbatch. And tattoos? Hiring hookers? Ugh.

    Lucy Liu is... Lucy Liu. She's just there, there's nothing remarkable about her, nothing special whatsoever, not an ounce of character.

    And it all looks so DULL! [face_tired] I had to force myself to be interested in the plot. There's no juice, no ease, it doesn't have the flow of "Sherlock", there's no humour to spice it up.

    Waste of time, really.

    (Also, despite Jonny Lee Miller speaking in an English accent, he keeps using Americanisms like "cell" instead of "mobile" and mispronouncing "valet". Meh.)
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  14. halibut Chosen One

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  16. Juliet316 Shelf of Shame "Loser"

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    Was getting ready to ask if anybody had seen the leaked pilot.
  17. Everton Chosen One

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    Yes. It's offensively bland.
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  18. yankee8255 Force Ghost

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    I rewatched the last 15 minutes again last night, how he faked his death is becoming less and less interesting, I think several key elements are pretty clear (garbage truck, using the ball to weaken his pulse, using Molly and t the Homeless Network to help with the aftermath, the bike messenger, possibly the halucinogenic from hound, Sherlock's "testing" on the CIA agent in Scandal -- specifically on rubbage bins/bags!). I'm sure there are twists we're missing, and I'm certainly looking forward to the full reveal. To me the really interesting questions, though, are

    (1) the question E brought up, why does Sherlock need to confess to Holmes? Maybe just to buy time to get his people into position on the gruond?
    (2) the Moriarity/Sherlock dialogue. What does Moriarity see that makes him shoot himself? He's been tortured by Mycroft and British intelligence, what does he fear Sherlock will do that will get him to talk? Was Sherlock really fooled into believing the code existed? There seems to be so much going on under the surface of that conversation, maybe I'm just too dense to pick it up.

    EDIT: Anyone else think Mrs Hudson is "in on it" knows that Sherlock is alive?
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  19. Mar17swgirl Chosen One

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    I don't think Mrs. Hudson is in on it, but Mycroft very probably is (just like in the books).
  20. solojones Chosen One

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    I think it would be hard for him to pull it off without Mycroft, yeah. And I don't really think the mystery of how he did it is really supposed to be all that mind blowing. I'm more interested in the personal repercussions of him faking his death. That's what the end of TRF focuses on anyhow.

    Glad some other people have seen the Elementary pilot now too. Basically Mar agreed with everything I've said since Comic Con. The hookers and tattoos thing is offensively stupid and so transparently trying to be hip. And yet for the things like that, in the end the episode was simply really, really boring and bland. I don't know how you make Sherlock boring.. but making him Not Sherlock seemed to do the trick.
  21. imiller Force Ghost

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    Well...I think the tattoos are because they felt it was appropriate for the character, and didn't want to have to cover up Miller's real tattoos. The hooker...yeah.

    I'm still interested. But then, Sherlock BBC has left me both excited and furious, not satisfied like it seems to have left most of fandom, so I guess I'm just odd.
  22. Miana Kenobi Costuming & Props Mod - Retired Admin

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    Season 2 is supposedly on Netflix now.
  23. Darth McClain Arena Manager Emeritus

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    It is. If you haven't seen it yet...do it now!



    Of course, most people that would read the thread have likely seen it a couple times by now. :p
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  24. NYCitygurl NSWFF Manager

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    It's hit Netflix? Yay!

    I'd love to be able to see series 3 sometime next year.
  25. solojones Chosen One

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    Well they're filming in January so my guess is late summer.

    Glad series 2 is up on Netflix, especially since my friend who borrowed my blu rays has yet to return them.