Amph Sherlock - new BBC series from Steven Moffat

Discussion in 'Community' started by Mar17swgirl, Jul 21, 2010.

  1. solojones Chosen One

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    Yeah that's the thing with all the "Moriarty is alive" theories. It asserts that Sherlock Freaking Holmes can't tell a gunshot wound to the head when it's literally right in front of him. No, I really hope he's dead. I just think they shouldn't have had a shot of Moriarty with the gun in hand. I feel like a lot of times this happens in shows and films because it makes for a nice tableau... but it's just that it doesn't fit, and that is also something Sherlock Holmes would notice. So Moffat should have.
  2. yankee8255 Force Ghost

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    Or maybe Moriarity isn't really Moriarity -- maybe he really is just an actor, and the real Moriarity has just engaged him to be his "public face", really just a mouthpiece much as the bomb victims were in The Great Game.
  3. Mar17swgirl Chosen One

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    Just an actor who'd commit suicide? No way.

    Plus, it would totally destroy everything Andrew Scott so brilliantly built.
  4. yankee8255 Force Ghost

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    Definitely agree on the second point. On the first, maybe he has leverage on him -- he got Sherlock to jump off a building to save his friends, after all.

    What kills my theory (which wasn't really serious), however, is the scene in ASiB, where Moriarity texts Mycroft - pretty clear that he is Moriarity there.

    Also, interesting who he thinks Sherlock's friends are. Watson is obvious. Mrs.Hudson not quite so obvious, but still fairly so. Lestrade? Bit of a stretch. But NOT Molly. Fully justified conclusion based on how he sees Sherlock treat her in TGG. And yet, if he had had someone tracking her, he might have realized Sherlock was setting him up. Oops.

    That also brings me back to the post Everton made a while ago (I guess right after TRF aired) about what Sherlock says to Molly and John in the final parts of the episode. To Molly: "If I wasn't everything that you think I am, everything that I think I am, would you still want to help me?" The telling John he had done research to impress him with the info about his sister (except Sherlock made the mistake of thinking it was is brother!) Is he really a fraud, at least to some degree?If not, why does he want them to think he is? To save John and the others lives, he only needs to jump. Why does he feel he needs them to believe that he's a fraud?

    And what does Moriarity think he would do that Mycroft wouldn't to make him talk?

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. How long do we have to wait for the continuation? Just shoot me now.
  5. Everton Chosen One

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    So that his death and Moriarty's lies surrounding it are more believable. I think Sherlock wants to be considered dead. He has - for some reason - decided that his next move is best made under cover, and with his reputation in tatters.
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  6. solojones Chosen One

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    Yeah, he wants to sell it. He may also be concerned that Moriarty's killers have been instructed to still kill his friends if they find out Sherlock's alive. I personally subscribe to the popular "Sherlock has to dismantle Moriarty's network" fan theory.

    I too love that even Moriarty didn't think that Molly mattered. He even knows her and still just dismisses her as a girl with a crush. Molly clearly being instrumental in Sherlock's plan is one of my favorite things about TRF. I'll be interested to see how that alters the dynamic between her and Sherlock now.
  7. Everton Chosen One

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    Her choice of crisps? ;)
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  8. yankee8255 Force Ghost

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    That would explain his statements to Watson, but what about to Molly? After all, she knows he's alive, why would she need to think he's a fraud?
  9. solojones Chosen One

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    Well, I never really thought that he tried to convince Molly he was a fraud. I think the "if I weren't everything you think I am" thing had more to do with his caving into needing her help than anything else. And he's also laying it on a bit because he wants her help, though I think he's sincere... in his own Sherlock sort of way :p
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  10. halibut Chosen One

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    Did I mention that I'm going to see Benedict Cumberbatch giving a talk on Sherlock next week?

    Just throwing that out there....
  11. solojones Chosen One

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    Did I mention I'm going to murder you?
  12. yankee8255 Force Ghost

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  13. halibut Chosen One

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    Right, off to meet Benedict :) Enjoy Strictly and X-Factor :p
  14. halibut Chosen One

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    Also did I mention that Molly will be here as well. And I've just met JK Rowling.
  15. solojones Chosen One

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    You are literally the worst.

    I love Sherlock's attitude towards guns and gun safety. I find it really odd that in that show everyone in the UK seems to have a gun. I'm not entirely sure that even Lestrade would in real life. And I'm almost certain John wouldn't have one legally, army or no. Sometimes I think Steven and Mark forget what country they're in :p
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  16. Mar17swgirl Chosen One

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    Everton is starting to get second thoughts about this whole Prague thing now... :p
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  17. halibut Chosen One

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    Just found out what Molly bought Sherlock for Christmas...
  18. halibut Chosen One

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    And Benedict looks awesome with a sonic screwdriver. :D
  19. Mar17swgirl Chosen One

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  20. Everton Chosen One

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  21. Mar17swgirl Chosen One

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  22. halibut Chosen One

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    He did a brief sonicy thing. You had to be there.
  23. Mar17swgirl Chosen One

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    ...

    I wish there had been a "I really really hate you" button.
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  25. halibut Chosen One

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    There was this thing, and he said a thing, then this thing happened, and there was a screwdriver and everyone laughed... You know. It loses something in the telling. Oh, and season three will be awesome.