Discussion in 'Star Wars TV' started by StarWarsFan91, May 22, 2013.
I was just about to say that
You thinking of him being brought back in the ST?
I got into a debate with some guy the other day in one of the other forums, who was adamant that Maul WILL NOT turn up in the ST, nor will anything else that would depend on a plot point that was only ever illustrated in TCW, and which wouldn't make sense without knowledge of said plot point... (in the way that Luke trying to redeem his father Darth Vader wouldn't make sense if a person was to skip straight from ANH to RoTJ without ever watching ESB, thus missing the massive plot point of the ESB reveal).
His reasoning was that the number of people who have seen TCW or are otherwise aware that Maul isn't dead, are only a small portion of those who have seen the live action movies, and thus having Maul turn up in the ST would just leave a lot of people like "huh? Isn't that guy supposed to be dead?" and give them a negative opinion of the movie.
I didn't like his take at first but after a while I started thinking he may be on to something.
As an aside, I'd be interested to know just how many people in the general SW-watching population (basically everyone who's watched 1 - 6) have seen some part of TCW, or even if they haven't, are aware that Darth Maul isn't dead. Somebody should run some sort of survey...
Whenever Maul appears again, I wonder if the writers will play around with that one spark of regret that Maul felt when he saw Savage killed before his eyes by his former master. As a Sith from birth and given his upbringing, that must have been the one time he ever felt something like that.
I don't know, I always assumed that Palpatine kept Maul alive to do twisted Sith experiments (the immortality stuff). If Maul was kept as an Emperor's Hand or a "common" assassin, Darth Vader would decapitate the Zabrak the first time he had the chance. Vader cannot stand rivals...
However, if they do reintroduce Maul in Rebels, I'd do it in a Black Sun storyline. Maul and Prince Xizor would mesh really well IMO, especially if you look at Xizor's plots against Vader. Maul is an almost natural ally.
But I guess they'll do it in a Dathomir episode.
You've given me an idea.
Maul should be defeated in combat and killed by... Guri!
I guess that Palpatine would be interested in knowing how his former apprentice survived, but I'm not sure he would learn much. Just like Darth Sion before him, Darth Maul's survival is incredibly specific, rooted in his personal history. He didn't aim for immortality, it happened to him when his pain and hatred reached a peek so great that he just shooed death away.
The Dathomir relation is a plot-thread that definitely needs to be explored again. Mother Talzin took considerable risks to ensure Savage's loyalty to her and then have him rescue Maul, it would be a pity to not know where she was going with this. Also, I'm a big fan of her.
But...I was making a joke.
Uh-uh sure u were
Speaking of which, I wonder if Darth Sion was intended to forshadow Darth Vader.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Sidious-Maul pair returns for the ST. Many feel they were underused in the PT.
I don't think so. The Sith Lords in KOTOR 2 were meant as extreme of what the Dark Side could lead one into and as such, Darth Sion was only kept alive by his hatred, which was fueled by the unimaginable pain he was constantly in.
It's entirely possible that Chris Avellone based Sion on a failed experiment of Vader in the E.U though, in which Vader tried to use a Dark Side technique to heal his body, but as his body healed and the pain went away, so did his hatred and the technique failed. Compare this to Sion wanting to kill a female Exile because he can't help but find her beautiful, and that can only weakened his hatred and lead him to his death.
You bring up an interesting comparison between Maul's survival and that of Darth Sion. I first noted the similarities in this very thread in my post here, but I only wondered whether Maul's survival prior to Talzin and the Death Watch's upgrades hinged solely on his hatred for Kenobi, and whether or not he would cease to live once that hatred is sated, perhaps following the death of Kenobi at his hands. But you brought up some good points in this thread and the Nightsisters/Maul thread, and I can't help but wonder about Maul's final fate as well.
I like the idea that Maul is more two-dimensional than a single-minded assassin bound completely to the Dark Side of the Force, and we witnessed him express feelings akin to compassion when he witnessed his brother's death. Hence, he isn't pure evil like his Master seems to be. But at the same time, this is a being raised in service to the Dark Side practically from birth, the only life he knows. I don't view the guy as redeemable, but your comparison to Hanharr made me think. Perhaps Maul could die fighting back against his former Master and/or Talzin, the two individuals most responsible for his long-suffering life, and in letting go of his intense hatred, he would die with some semblance of peace, much like the Exile convinced Sion to relinquish his hate and join with the Force.
Filoni has mentioned that he intended to elaborate upon how Maul survived.
I definitely think they were under-used in the PT, but I want new characters in the ST, especially since we have TCW.
Is it possible that Palpatine's other uses comment was written with Rebels in mind?
I thought this was what Sidious meant by "other uses" for Maul:
While recently re-watching the Sideous vs. Maul-Savage battle for the upteenth time , I became aware that I always very much cheered for Sideous to defeat them, and it occurred to me... how ingenious that the TCW creatives had been able to devise a scenario where one would cheer for the entrance and victory of the Darkest of the Dark Ones.
Plus, such a richly choreographed fight and the SW-Picasso in the background... and to get to see some of what the potential of Sideous really is behind a saber, as he effortlessly disposed of them both.
Would be curious if anyone else was surprised to find themselves feeling the same way or similarly?
Old Wounds should be adapted somewhat into a spin-off movie about Obi-Wan Kenobi
God, I'm crying!
I think Maul's fate should be adressed sooner rather than later. If it's adressed in Rebels, you could have him getting unfrozen from carbonite after various years. He somehow finds out about Obi-Wan, and goes after him on Tatooine for one last showdown. However, I would prefer that his fate is adressed in the Clone Wars era, in some way.
It seriously feels like I've seen that one picture before.
No. Mention him and his fate in passing if you want to; that's fine. But not a full-fledged return.
If Maul is still around in the early years of Rebels, I don't see why he couldn't be on a mission for Sidious, crash to Tatooine and stumble across Obi-Wan, in which Obi-Wan finally aims for his neck. Obi-Wan would still be in his prime and not aged as much that fighting Maul would hurt him. Heck throw a drama in with the Lars at the same time addressing why Owen doesn't like Kenobi: I think that could work if its done right.
but I don't think Maul should appear in any of the live-action films. I'd prefer his fate to be dealt with in animation or novel/comic-book form over live-action.
I wouldn't be surprised if Maul is the main villain of Rebels.
Only if they plan on adapting the comic where Vader kills a clone of Maul by stabbing himself and impaling Maul behind him. Sure, it was stupid then, but making Maul not a clone won't really change the story much.
As I've said before, they could simply canonize Old Wounds or adapt it and have that story as an arc to resolve Maul's fate. There could be plenty of drama in such a plot, as you've mentioned. Also, I agree that I'd prefer Maul to be dealt with in animation or even in a novel or comic before live-action because showing a post-TPM Maul running around will only serve to confuse the audience who haven't read the EU and/or watched TCW. So best deal with his fate in the same medium that they dealt with his return: in the EU, i.e. T-canon or C-canon.
TBH I can't see this happening. Even in TCW he only showed up in six episodes. You can argue they may be setting him up for Rebels, but I doubt it. Had they been allowed to continue the show longer, they might have dealt with his fate before the series concluded. In the grand scheme of things Maul is simply a minor character and it would be awkward, IMO, for him to be the main villain in a show that's supposed to deal with the oppression of the Empire, which would put Vader, the Emperor, the Moffs, and various Imperial officers squarely in the role of main villains. Maul at best would simply be another one of the Emperor's clandestine assassins.
You've probably come across Jordan1Kenobi's original idea in this post here.