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FF:NZ Should New Zealand merge with Australia?

Discussion in 'Oceania Discussion Boards' started by The Gatherer, Jul 25, 2003.

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  1. The Gatherer Jedi Youngling

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    Hmmm... perhaps New Zealand could become two new states of Australia - South Zealand and North Zealand?

    What do you think?

    After all, it basically is like that now, in all but name.
  2. Amidala_Skywalker Manager Emeritus

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    Jul 4, 2001
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    If we did merge, I think we?d be doing the New Zealanders a disservice by keeping the country name ?Australia?.

    We should create something new and imaginative!

    I wouldn?t mind making one big country. We?d be protecting ourselves from the bigger nations, who, in the future, might become aggressive against us.

    Besides, I was born in NZ and live in AUS, it?s all good for me ;).

    Am [face_love]
  3. The Gatherer Jedi Youngling

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    Aug 2, 1999
    star 6
    How about Australasia or Oceania?
  4. ACERIMMERROCKS Jedi Master

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    May 25, 2001
    star 4
    In the words of adrmiral ackbar "it's a trap!"
  5. Darth_Graal Jedi Master

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    Nov 19, 2001
    star 4
    I'd agree to that......when hell freezes over!
  6. SithForceLord Jedi Grand Master

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    Jul 2, 2001
    star 6
    If we merged, we would still kill possums, no matter what you idiots say.

    Can I get an amen on that NZ'ers?

    :p


    Seriously though, no thanks. We enjoy beating you in rubgy and the such and well, if YOU were part of US, we would just be rejoicing over a "team kill" (in gaming terms) and that's just lame.

    Stay the hell away from us. :p ;) :D
  7. The Gatherer Jedi Youngling

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    Aug 2, 1999
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    Surely, you have to admit that there would be many, MANY positives for New Zealand if you became part of Australia.

    1) It would help your economy. Your $ is a LOT weaker than ours.

    2) IT would help you militarily. NZ basically has NO military... didn't you scrap your Air Force a few years ago, or you just have *one* plane or something like that... who do you expect to defend you? Australia?

    3) It would legitimize all the NZ immigrants in Australia - who move to Bondi and live off Australian welfare... ;)
  8. jp-30 Manager Emeritus

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    Dec 14, 2000
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    > After all, it basically is like that now, in all but name.

    Bollocks it is.
  9. jp-30 Manager Emeritus

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    Dec 14, 2000
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    > Your $ is a LOT weaker than ours

    Exchange rate. NZ$1 = AUD$0.9149

    Hardly a LOT weaker?

    As for military, considering we don't kiss the US's ass and send combat troops into whatever jacked up war they've created, we've got little need to worry about retaliatory invasion.

    The big threat to security these days is terrorism, and as we've seen in Indonesia and the US, a big military force is useless against such attacks anyway.




  10. YouAgain Force Ghost

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    Dec 20, 2001
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    I'm amazed Gaths even had the guts to post this thread.........
  11. SimplyThrilledHoney Jedi Knight

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    May 19, 2002
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    hmmm ... so all the Australians think it's a good idea, and all the New Zealanders think it's pants.

    Personally, I'm in favour of closer ties. However, I think that by wording it "New Zealand merging with Australia" you come across as being totally Australian-centric. New Zealand and Australian cultures are quite different, and I don't think the two could easily merge. It would be like merging Canada and the US. Both countries have a strong national identities.

    Also, from a political point of view it's not that simple. New Zealand is a bicultural nation, with an agreement between the Crown and the Maori people. Quite how this would resolve itself I'm not sure. I'm sure Australians don't want to have to inherit New Zealand's messy treaty issues, and I'm not really all that keen on having to deal with how badly the Australian Government treated its own indigenous peoples.

    All this aside, I think it would make sense for the two currencies to merge, and maybe for the 2 defence forces to merge as well. But I don't want New Zealand to "become part of Australia".

    As for for the Australian dollar being "much stronger" ... that's just bollocks. The two currencies only vary by about 10%, and the relavtive price differences mean that things cost virtually exactly the same in both countries.
  12. -Winter- Jedi Knight

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    Mar 12, 2002
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    <i>It would legitimize all the NZ immigrants in Australia - who move to Bondi and live off Australian welfare...</i>

    Are you saying NZ immagrants in Australia aren't "legitimate" now?

    Also agree with much of what STH said.
  13. Kitt327 Jedi Master

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    Dec 23, 2000
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    Maybe Australia should become the 51st state of America. I mean, it's practically that way already.
  14. The Gatherer Jedi Youngling

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    I have actually thought of that. Except Australia wouldn't be one single state, our states would enter as their own entity - ie: 7 states.
  15. Chansplace Jedi Master

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    Jan 2, 2001
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    we'll never turn to the Dark Side.

    STH has some relevant points, however, I think it would come down to one simple fact, The All Blacks could never be called the 'All Black, Green and Yellows'
  16. SimplyThrilledHoney Jedi Knight

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    > I have actually thought of that. Except Australia wouldn't be one single state, our states would enter as their own entity - ie: 7 states.

    I don't think many Americans would know or care that Australia has seven states. I'd imagine a lot of Americans wouldn't even be able to find Australia on a map. I'm not saying this as an anti-American statement, but rather that I just think Americans are really inward looking and don't know an awful lot about world history or geography. I mean, they consider that WW II didn't start until they joined in in 1941. How ethnocentric is that?

    And really, what would Australia have to offer the US for the US to want a union? All Australia would be providing would be landing strips for American warplanes.
  17. Kitt327 Jedi Master

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    Dec 23, 2000
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    America is already making the most of Australia ... I believe they have a nuclear missile tracking base on their soil. The USA government also pushes Australia to vote with them in the UN, when it comes to some of their more controversial stances, like the Koyoto protocols issue, and the excluding their soliders from being charged with war crimes in a world court.

    Although, I guess those issues mean Australia is of more use to them as an ally than a state.

    As a state, Australia would at last get the free trade agreement, though.
  18. solo77 Force Ghost

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    Aug 28, 2002
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    If New Zealnd ever became part of Australia then I would leave this place.

    It would remove a great pastime of mine - Beating those Aussies at anything.

    I don't mind the occasional Australian, but I cannot stand any Aussie sporting team, especially their cricket team.
  19. The Gatherer Jedi Youngling

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    Why - hehe... because, ahem, Australia always WINS?!
  20. Chansplace Jedi Master

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    no... because, ahem, they DON'T :D
  21. The Gatherer Jedi Youngling

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    Ok, I am sorry, Australia wins 99.9% of the time...
  22. ACERIMMERROCKS Jedi Master

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    May 25, 2001
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    the only good thing would be better toy distrubutation
  23. -Winter- Jedi Knight

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    Mar 12, 2002
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    I don't care much about sports, or toys for that matter, but "merging" with Australia is not something I want to see. What good would it do for NZ? It's not like we're under financial difficulties.
  24. Darth_Graal Jedi Master

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    Nov 19, 2001
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    Ok lets see 99.9% of the time you say.
    last 3 trans tasman sporting events NZ won 2 out of 3, so that therefore means australia looses 66.66% of the time. :p
  25. SithForceLord Jedi Grand Master

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    Jul 2, 2001
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