I DO feel that the old Eugenics movement was wrong and if Ramius was trying to expose their ignorance, then that was justified. I guess I should have explained that link a little more. Yes, I was trying to show the stupidity of the old eugenics. I posted that link back when the debate about sterilizing retarded people was going on, and I just wanted to show people that it had aleady been tried and it didn't work out. I'm all for the new eugenics. If what you're talking about is what they did in the movie Gattica, then thats cool. If I ever have kids, I want to weed out any really bad things. My uncle was an alcoholic, and died from kidney failure and a damaged liver, so I want my kids to have to best start in life.