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Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by Darth Weavile, Jan 8, 2018.

  1. Darth Weavile

    Darth Weavile Jedi Knight star 1

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    I don't get why Disney decided to keep TCW in the Legends and New-Canon timeline. It contradicts so much Legends material that came before it (especially the Clone Wars multimedia project) that I think it would make so much more sense to have the original Clone Wars material (2002-2005) and TCW as separate canons (TCW being part of the Disney canon). For example, the Legends continuity would be as follows:

    - Anakin doesn't have a padawan
    - Anakin is knighted 2 1/2 months into the war
    - Darth Maul is dead, and not from Dathomir
    - Ventress is thought dead after Boz Pity
    - Even Piell dies shortly after Order 66
    - Adi Gallia is killed by Grievous
    - Mandolorians have their original backstory

    ...And so on.
     
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  2. Mr. Forest

    Mr. Forest Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    That's pretty much how it's set up right now . TCW is canon and the micro-series CW is part of Legends.
     
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  3. Darth Weavile

    Darth Weavile Jedi Knight star 1

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    But TCW is included in the Legends timeline as well, which is what I have a problem with.
     
  4. darkspine10

    darkspine10 Force Ghost star 5

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    The weird thing is that TCW is both part of Legends and Canon.

    The weird part comes when, for instance, in Wookieepedia articles on say, Darth Maul, the Legends tab has everything up to the end of TCW season 6, but none of the subsequently released legacy content, like Son of Dathomir, despite the fact SoD would have been Legends had TCW not ended when it did. So info from Canon that would have been Legends is discounted in the former, while tie-in books released for TCW are not included in canon. So neither page has the full details.
     
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  5. Alexrd

    Alexrd Force Ghost star 5

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    So do the movies.
     
  6. Darth Weavile

    Darth Weavile Jedi Knight star 1

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    Yes, but TCW is EU, while the movies are not.
     
  7. Outsourced

    Outsourced Jedi Master star 4

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    It was under Lucas's supervision, and he retroactively decided to make it on the same level of canonicity as the movies.
     
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  8. Darth Weavile

    Darth Weavile Jedi Knight star 1

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    Source?

    And a lot of EU material was under Lucas' supervision. Doesn't make it on the same canon "level" as the movies.
     
  9. Game3525

    Game3525 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    TCW was never considered the same level as the EU.

    The EU before being discarded was C-Canon, TCW was T-Canon, which was just a level below G-Canon. It got bumped up to official canon, because Lucas was heavily involved in writing of the show.
     
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  10. Darth Weavile

    Darth Weavile Jedi Knight star 1

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    I seriously doubt that he had much involvement at all in the writing. Probably just as much as any other EU material he's approved (pretty much all of it).
     
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    Son of a Bith Jedi Master star 4

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  12. Game3525

    Game3525 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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  13. Darth Weavile

    Darth Weavile Jedi Knight star 1

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    Fair enough, but my point still stands. With the separation of continuities, having TCW be a part of both when it contradicts so much of Legends doesn't really make much sense.
     
  14. Asajj Ventress

    Asajj Ventress Jedi Padawan

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    Maybe Legends doesn't need to make sense. :p That's why they have the two separate. Canon is a cohesive story; Legends is a collection of sometimes-connected stories that are able to contradict each other and do their own thing with the characters and universe. There's no right way to interpret how things play out in the Legends universe (or universes maybe) unlike the Canon stories.
     
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  15. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    I have 2 EU timelines. 1 with TCW involved, one with TCW not involved.
    Could throw the different versions of the OT and PT into that as well but won't at this time.
     
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  16. Darth Weavile

    Darth Weavile Jedi Knight star 1

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    Legends was a pretty cohesive story before TCW, as well.
     
  17. Outsourced

    Outsourced Jedi Master star 4

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    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Retcon
     
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  18. Darth Weavile

    Darth Weavile Jedi Knight star 1

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    There's a difference between minor retcons and making huge portions of something non-canon.
     
  19. Outsourced

    Outsourced Jedi Master star 4

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    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Death_Star_plans/Legends

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Spar

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Owen_(Kenobi)

    I'm not talking about minor retcons. I mean Boba Fett's backstory being created, destroyed by Attack of the Clones, and then recreated, the numerous different people who stole the "Death Star Plans", the creation of the Death Star itself, major misconceptions about the Clone Wars from The Last Command all the way up to Attack of the Clones, Obi-Wan being related to Owen, and Luke's parents original names. Most of this was due to George Lucas' canon, which The Clone Wars sits among.
     
  20. ss640

    ss640 Jedi Padawan star 1

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    if you look at all the behind the scenes TCW videos George is there in the writers room. NOTHING gets approved without George knowing, and he was the main force behind all the stories. I dont know why people think George wasn't involved in TCW when he was in it from the get go. He, along with other writers, created the story, while the rest of the team created the actual episodes, then they were shown to George throughout every stage of the process and he'd approve them in the end.
     
  21. Darth Weavile

    Darth Weavile Jedi Knight star 1

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    And all those retcons took place outside of the Clone Wars multimedia project, prior to the PT.

    And I hate to bring bad news, but "George Lucas" canon doesn't exist, and if it did, it would just be the movies. Lucas had influence on plenty other projects outside the movies, why is TCW different?
     
  22. Darth Weavile

    Darth Weavile Jedi Knight star 1

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    All Legends material was approved by Lucas as well.
     
  23. TheMoldyCrow

    TheMoldyCrow Jedi Knight star 3

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    Why bother? The legends timeline is dead, and its been dead for almost four years.
     
  24. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    As long as NuCanon keeps taking stuff from it, the EU timeline won't be dead. Or the books and comics still being released.
     
  25. Darth Weavile

    Darth Weavile Jedi Knight star 1

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    Many people prefer the Legends timeline.
     
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