Should the Imperial March be added to A New Hope?

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  1. Demon_Lord_Piccolo Jedi Knight

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    I think it should be added in just a couple of scenes. I don't think it should be used throughout the whole movie, though.
  2. Boba_Phat Jedi Master

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    I don't know, I kind of like it the way it is for some reason
  3. Son of the Suns Administrator Emeritus

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    Nope, I don't think it should be added. Aside from Vader's first apperance, there really aren't any scenes in the film where inserting the Imperial March would be appropriate.
  4. Fatboy_Roberts Jedi Youngling

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    No, I think the original Imperial motif from ANH should be used for the majority of the Republic and Empire scenes in Episodes II and III. It'd be the perfect music for the end of Episode II to lead into the end credits, and wouldn't make ANH look like the musical odd man out

    Peace,
    Fatboy
  5. Grand Admiral Reese Jedi Grand Master

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    Nope. I don't think it should be. ANH's Imperial Theme is good enough for it. ImpMarch would seem out of place.
  6. Oakessteve Manager Emeritus

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    Nope, no real reason for it, I don't think.
  7. Sithman Jedi Grand Master

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    Most of you guys just said "nope" and left it at that. Well, as for me, I also will say "no, it should be left out", but I'll try to back it up:

    Here's the deal- in ANH, nothing is personal. We're being introduced to a whole SLEW of new characters or older versions of characters. The struggle is not between persons as in ESB and ROTJ with Luke and Vader and the Emperor and trying to turn Luke to the Dark Side and all- it's the Rebel Alliance vs. the Empire. It's not Vader trying to goad or seduce Luke, and it's not father vs. son yet, it's just the Empire (with the Imperial motif) vs. the Rebels (with the rebel fanfare).
    You see, ANH isn't just Vader in control as in ESB or ROTJ- it's stormtroopers tracking down Luke and Ben, Grand Moff Tarkin interrogating Leia and destroying planets, Star Destroyers blowing up ships, and the Death Star. In ESB and ROTJ however, Vader calls the shots. HE tells the fleet to go to Hoth, HE leads the snowtroopers into Echo Base, HE orders the Star Destroyers into the asteroid field, HE masterminds the plan of capturing Luke, and HE tells Luke that he is his father. I could say the same thing for ROTJ mostly, but I think you all get the point.

    lol, I hope that made sense. :D
    Comments would be appreciated!

    ~Sithman~
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  8. Son of the Suns Administrator Emeritus

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    It makes perfect sense, Sithman. :)
  9. Stargasior Jedi Knight

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    No!!
    Keep the OT alone. There is absolutly nothing to change in them!
  10. Grand Moff Joker Force Ghost

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    I agree with Fatboy Roberts. Rather than stick the Imperial March into A New Hope for the sake of continuity, how about taking the Imperial Motif and selectively inserting it into appropriate scenes in Episode II, and especially Episode III? My thoughts about this issue have always been that maybe if a young Tarkin is featured prominently in Episode III, perhaps the Imperial Motif could serve as a foundation for his personal theme, which would tie in nicely with A New Hope. That way, those who watch and listen to the Star Wars Saga in order won't suddenly be confronted with a recurring phantom motif (LOL!) in A New Hope that isn't heard anywhere else before or after.
  11. Jeff 42 Manager Emeritus

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    ANH is a great movie as it is. Look what happened when they decided to mess with it before--we get Greedo shooting at Han. ANH's score is wonderful already, and adding the Imperial March is not necessary.
  12. DarthHomer Force Ghost

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    I don't think the Imperial March needs to be added to ANH, but there is no way that it won't be used in Episode III. Everyone will be expecting it for Vader's first appearance.
  13. Jedi Bib Jedi Grand Master

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    No, I like it the way it is. No need to add it anywhere. You never really see the might of the empire in ANH other than a few stormys and the death star, so I donlt think it would be appropriate.
  14. Son of the Suns Administrator Emeritus

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    "You never really see the might of the empire in ANH other than a few stormys and the death star, so I donlt think it would be appropriate."

    No, ANH showed the might of the Empire perfectly, and the Imperial motif fit those scenes well. It was the power and importance of Vader that we didn't get to see until ESB, and for that we got the Imperial March.
  15. Miz Jedi Knight

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    On the subject, imagine what would have happened if JW made an imperial march out of that original empire/stormtrooper motif!

    It's quite hard to make such a bombastic tune from that calmer cue.
  16. Cindé of Naboo Jedi Master

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    I agree that it should not be added, for the same reasons that Sithman described. Vader does not really become the driving force behind the Empire until ESB, and the ImpMarch really is his theme, as the personification of the Empire's evil. It simply wouldn't fit in ANH. And as for everyone expecting it in EP III -- I really, really hope JW does something completely unexpected. That's what makes him so great. I really, really hope he uses the Imperial theme from ANH to bridge the musical gap between prequel and sequel. I don't know how he'd do it, but he must do something incredible, because he is a genius, as his music has proven thus far. I don't want him to just recycle old themes as everyone might expect; I want him to create new themes to tie into old themes and completely knock our socks offf. And he will. :D
  17. Sithman Jedi Grand Master

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    *applause* Yay! Beautifully put CON!

    ~Sithman~
    the sithiest J.E.D.I. around!
  18. dolphin Chosen One

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    Don't change the OT more than it already has been changed. I still prefer the pre-SE films
  19. SockCabbie Jedi Knight

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    No it isn't! :D

    ("This is just contradiction!"
    "No it isn't."
    "Yes it is! An argument is a collected series of statements to prove a certain position, not the automatic gainsaying of the other person!"
    "No it isn't."
    "Yes it is!")
  20. Wolverine Jedi Grand Master

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  21. MyStory64 Jedi Padawan

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    Personally, I don't think adding the march theme is the problem, most people really just don't want Lucas messing around with an already good thing (I.E Williams music). The problem with this topic is the question of "inserting" themes, just look at the special editions, alot of fans are really put off with Ben Burtts re-tooling of the score in the added scenes, or Williams adding a new Celebration ending; to an even lesser extent there is also the constant "looping" of the Duel of Fates theme during the final minutes of TPM, which can be a distraction to fans and films buffs alike (most joe-schmoes don't really notice that stuff until after it is pointed out). So, if Williams decided to get the itch to rescore the films in a more cronological order, would that be any better? Nope, because with the extreme in-fighting that would erupt between fans aside, it sure does seems like an awful lot of work on Williams and ILM's part to make a complete set of films feel exactly that, complete. All this talk of re-doing this and re-scoring that is really just a bunch of people trying to make linear sense out of peotic language. The Star Wars films are great fun, but they aren't the meticulously detailed six-part saga that Rick McCallum would have us believe. They are a mish-mash of fun concepts, grand-nostolgia, hard-work, and innovative technological improvements; and in-between all that are "poetic" stories, tales that aren't ground into stone, etched from on high. They can be retranslated, and reinterpreted a millions times, and they are written this way on purpose. 20 years of creative freedom aside, Lucas did this so that the movies can relate to anybody, anywhere, they are basic fundamental concepts wrapped in a really pretty bag, and outside of all that, tying them together in a VERY nice bow, is John Williams music. At times it feels as if nothing in this saga has been written in any particular order save his music, and it bugs some of us. It bugs because there are those that want everything to fit in a perfect numerical timeline, and his tunes definatly give the impression of that; they "speak" to us during moments of silence, whisper themes and anthems long-gone, or still to come. They are beautiful and terrifying, haunting and opratic... basically his music kicks butt. It doesn't need to be re-tooled, or tinkered with, but I guarentee you that if new footage is added to any of the films in the future, you will need MORE music. Cut and Pasted tunes work for fan-films but StarWars is the big-show, and if you find any new scenes being added to the rumored "Final Editions" don't be surprised if new John Williams music can be found as well, perhaps even, the Imperial March...
  22. Nightowl TFN Timetales Writer

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    There is one place the Imperial March could work in ANH. Remember the unused music for the beginning of Luke and Vader's duel at Cloud City in TESB? (Known as "Vader's Trap" on the TESB:SE soundtrack, disc 2) Use it at the beginning of Vader and Ben's duel, just as the drums from the original segue piece fade out. From around 6:55 on the track to 7:34 ought to do it.
  23. Jenkwombat Jedi Knight

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    Please don't monkey with ANH. It's the closest thing to a perfect movie that I have ever viewed. It's fine the way it is. The Imperial March would change the style and rhythm of it.....
  24. Jedi-Finney Force Ghost

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    i think they should have hints of it when they show vader, i mean they played it in tpm in anikins theme... but i do like anh the way it is but if they were to change it, i'd still love it just the same.
  25. SilentArtoo-Detoo Jedi Youngling

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    I should be in ANH and it will be in ANH!
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