Discussion should the New Saga mirror the Original Saga?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Episode VII and Beyond (Archive)' started by BoromirsFan, Jan 30, 2013.

  1. BoromirsFan Jedi Grand Master

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    The Prequels and the Originals mirror each other, showcasing two sides of a coin, good and evil, father and son.

    But with VII and beyond do you think they should stray so close to the originals?

    I think these new films should be different. We have a trilogy of triumph (IV-VI) and a trilogy of tragedy (I-III). I don't think another variation could work.

    A father falls, a son rises, and a grandson or whatever relative does....what?

    I don't know if there is a middle ground between rise and fall, but it doesn't seem very compelling.

    So my hope is that these new films try not to rip off the old movies, and create something new.
  2. Episode Swag Jedi Master

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    I think there is potential middle ground to be explored. The new Skywalker could reject his family history ala Cade Skywalker or something. In the sense that he just wants to do his own thing sort of like a smuggler. There are many ways they could do something completely different. This is just one idea.
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  3. I Are The Internets Chosen One

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    Nah it's too hard to tell at the moment since we don't even know who the characters are going to be.
  4. Darth Claire Force Ghost

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    It would suck to be the child of Luke Skywalker. I'd imagine everybody would expect you to either become the next Jedi savior or the next Darth Vader. Talk about crazy expectations *maybe they should mention that in the sequel trilogy. Have our hero struggle with the insane expectations people have for him because he's a Skywalker*. IDK....just my idea.

    EDIT: Not to mention a ton of sith/imperials/whatever will probably target you to
    A) Get revenge on Luke
    and
    B) They will probably try to turn you to the dark side because you are most likely a powerful force user * being the child of Luke Skywalker and grandchild of Darth Vader and all*

    Clearly the child of Luke Skywalker will have the best life ever ;)
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  5. BoromirsFan Jedi Grand Master

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    I really loved Legacy, but I never really thought the complete arc "mirrored" that of any of the Star Wars trilogies. It felt like its own. I loved it because of that. But Kade being a middle ground is a great point!
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  6. Julius Vernon Jedi Grand Master

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    I want to see some mirroring. I think it worked great between the OT and PT. That said, I want to see new and creative things. But I think having Luke as a mentor type in VII (perhaps slain by the main villain to return as a Force Ghost) could work well, among other mirroring.

    Imagine the development of a villain able to defeat Luke Skywalker. It would give him instant street cred, especially if portrayed well.
  7. A Chorus of Disapproval New Films Riot Deterrent

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    Since 1-3 mirror 4-6, it is only logical that we will recognize a lot of ideas and elements from 10-12 while watching 7-9...
  8. Pro Scoundrel Force Ghost

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    I think that depends on how he would defeat him. If there is one thing that George Lucas and the EU agree on it's that Luke is a total badass, and the most powerful force user ever.
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  9. Zuckuss the Ruckuss Force Ghost

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    It also deals with something that hasn't really been done in Star Wars which is the idea of the reluctant hero. They dabbled with it slightly with Luke, and somewhat with Han.

    But I think its an interesting archetype that could be really explored for the next trilogy.

    Personally, I think a good archetype that would fit well into Star Wars is the idea of the duty bound soldier. It would be a good archetype to balance out the Skywalker/Solo offspring.
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  10. garrwars Jedi Master

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    To me, it would make sense for 7-9 to be a tragedy like 1-3 and then have 10-12 be like 4-5, but they probably won't do that because of people distaste for the prequels.
  11. Darth Chiznuk Chosen One

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    I actually think Luke will last until IX and we'll have a new character fulfill the mentor role. Anakin has a six film arc and so should Luke.
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  12. Bad_Feeling Force Ghost

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    The films tend to mirror Lucas' own life in many ways. It could be interesting to see Luke hand over his legacy (as the head Jedi) to his younger apprentice. Passing the torch to a new, younger generation who have grown up in a world torn apart by war and with a Galaxy that is struggling with its identity.

    Turn the questions we have (i.e. what happens next? what is the Jedi order like or alternatively WHAT should it be like? Revitalised or carrying on the traditions of the old order - heck you could have two fractions of Jedi each with different values and views on the past which mirror the fan base and the OT/PT divide) into questions that the FILM asks of its characters.
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  13. Corvax855 Jedi Grand Master

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    No! The whole mirroring thing is probably the worst aspect of the PT (I'd rank it above the love story dialogue in terms of badness) if you ask me. I want to be able to go into Episodes VII - IX and have absolutely no clue what's about to happen.
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  14. BoromirsFan Jedi Grand Master

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    You really think losing a Skywalker child losing hand in Episode VIII is going to ruin your experience? :p
  15. Zuckuss the Ruckuss Force Ghost

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    Well if its mirroring Lucas's own life, then Luke will have an adopted child.
  16. Bad_Feeling Force Ghost

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    I like that actually.
  17. janstett Force Ghost

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    Luke's death/sacrifice leads to the ascension of the new hero.

    "True, but parents have to die. It's the only way children can come into their own. " -- BSG
  18. JoinTheSchwarz Comms Admin & Community Manager

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    No. Just make some good movies.
  19. Deejo Jedi Master

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    I don't know about 'mirroring' but GL talks about the movies 'rhyming' in one of the Making Of docos. So I would expect the next ones to 'rhyme' as well.

    Anyone remember what this quote was from?
  20. The Hellhammer 7SA Forum Interrogator

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    Yeah, let's just hope they rhyme to a better tune than the prequels.
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  21. Grand_Moff_Jawa Force Ghost

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    I think the rebellion (now the restored republic) should build a space station with enough destructive power to destroy a planet, then threaten anyone who refuses to be a part of the new republic. It would be a reign of terror for... good?
  22. General Immodet Jedi Grand Master

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    The ST should be closer to the OT than the PT (in my opinion).
    I want to see Moffs, Star Destroyers, TIEs, X-Wings...
  23. Darth Chiznuk Chosen One

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    I agree but I think it will be much better served if it happens in Episode IX. It's common that at the end of the story the hero loses his mentor/father figure and must confront the final obstacle on his own. In Episode III we have both Obi-Wan and Yoda leave on missions leaving Anakin to confront Palpatine on his own (he fails) and in Episode VI we have Yoda dying leaving Luke to confront Vader and the Emperor on his own (he succeeds). I think Luke's death would have some much more resonance if it happens in IX and is the ultimate low point for our heroes but also propels them to confront the big bad. Just my opinion though.