Discussion Should the Sith be the villains of the sequel trilogy?

The thing is to keep it from becoming overly complicated.

Old Jedi with some arcane agenda smacks of EU. I offered my idea only as an example of how existing dialogue could be used to allow for elements extending organically from the existing 6 films to exist.

The antagonists have to have motivations as strong and central to their character as the heroes. So, if the Skywalkers are a family saga, make the antagonists also a family; if the heroes are rebuilding the Republic, give the antagonists an equally strong but opposite ideal to believe in; the heroes are users of the Light Side, you be sure have among the antagonists users of the Dark Side etc. That's how I would develop the germ of the story.

So you can have mirroring scenes, parallels between the two stories. That's how I always write this stuff. Then you have opponents who can, to a certain degree, anticipate each other's moves, and it becomes a game of chess; but what's motivating the "game" isn't as as simple as a lust for power or a fanatical belief, it has to be organic, the way Luke's surrender was motivated by his compassion, and need to believe that he himself would not turn to the Dark Side, so he had to see that in his father.

In the PT you came to understand Anakin's motives and you could feel empathy for him, if not sympathy; in the OT, Lucas continues that story. Now they have to create a similar strong line connecting the protagonists and antagonists. Instead of actually having them be related, I would simply have them mirror each other. Gradually, with each scene, driving the wedge in, until two possible allies become sworn enemies. Then you have two sides in irreconcilable conflict but your'e able to create audience empathy and emotion from both sides in the audience. Unlike Anakin & Obi, where the relationship was basically forced, have it be an unlikely alliance that works at first, then falls apart under strain. So at first you're cheering Luke on, like the heroes of Buddhist and Hindu epic, who convert demons and monsters, then you watch in horror as his enlightened intentions end up letting the serpent into the garden, so to speak.

I would love this. She's become an awesome character in the Clone Wars series and it would be great to see a live action portrayal. Especially since her role in AOTC never panned out and the status of the live action series is up in the air.

I wouldn't mind seeing the sith again - use Korriban. Have the tombs of the sith.

Either have the New jedi seek out Korriban and have them awaken ancient sith
Or find a secret sith army that is ready to invade
Or have an ancient sith master that was pulling sidious's strings all along

Only the Sith army idea seems viable. It would allow for plenty of lightsaber action and it would present a unique threat not yet seen on the big screen. Instead of the Sith being behind the scenes, they would be an in your face enemy that would not try to corrupt the Republic/Empire/New Republic/whatever... they'd be aiming for it's destruction.

Korriban has pretty much been used up over the course of 5000 years, plus Jedi seem to have the monopoly on the Force Ghost-type thing.

An ancient sith pulling Sidious' strings... HELL NO! Palpatine needs to remain the major villain of the PT/OT, a genuine machiavellian mastermind. I think it would be a workable retcon to make him the imbalance in the force, thus the Chosen One prophecy can be fulfilled while we are able to enjoy further hijinks from the Sith quarter.

Korriban has not been used on the big screen AT ALL. It will be new to all the casual movie goers

Star Wars without Sideous is like the turtles without Shredder. Over a decade ago, the turtles had their own real-life TV show on Fox, but the antagonist wasn't Shredder, it was these aliens or monsters, & the turtles were acting too silly. I hope that Disney does not make the same mistakes that the Turtles made.

There's always some Sith somewhere or other, but the spotlight should be taken off them.

Boba was ten years old in Attack of the Clones, while Luke and Leia were born following a three-year long war, making making Boba thirteen years older than Luke and Leia. As has been stated, the accepted lore in Star Wars publishing is that with medical and technological advances unheard of in our galaxy, life expectancy (at an average of 140 standard years) is nearly twice what we know on Earth presently. Our heroes are living in a world where 80 is the new 40.

I agree that extra-galactic visitors and Lumiya are not what I'm looking forward to.

I'd love to see Korriban on the big screen, given a compelling enough reason for us to be taken there.

It's tough. Sith are a part of Star Wars and the quintessential villians to the Jedi, but it's not hard imagining a film without them considering how big and diverse the Star Wars reality is.

Oh yeah, and theres that whole "bringing balance to the Force" thing..............unless you look at balance as bringing the numbers of jedi and sith closer to each other by taking out a ton of Jedi and eliminating the Sith who believed in "there only being two Sith". Since there cannot be light without dark. I could accept that........"from a certain point of view"

Balance of the Force, not balance of the Force-users.

But don't Force users affect the balance of the Force? "I feel a disturbance in the Force" being caused by a user etc.

A disturbance is not the same as imbalance.

For someone who enjoyed the prequel trilogy, the whole plot point of making Anakin into this Messianic-like figure had to be one of the more stupider ideas, even more so than Midichlorians. To hell with the whole "Balance of the Force" & the whole "Chosen One bringing balance to it" prophecy, I say.

In other words, yes, bring back the Sith.

Maybe in the ST. Not in VII though. A Jedi can fall in VII and form the basis for the Sith coming back, but if we're meant to accept that the Sith just roll up fully formed 30-odd (or however many it ends up being) years after Palpatine dies and say "guess who back!", I would be pretty unhappy.

Star Wars is a big sandbox. You can have a meaningful lightsaber duel without trashing the events of the OT by rushing back the Sith. Luke's struggle means bugger all if it only gives the galaxy a few decades respite from the Big Bads of the Galaxy.

Disney/Lucasfilm are NOT going to make Star Wars movies without lightsaber duels, period. There's just no getting around it. When the average movie goer signs up for a Star Wars movie, they expect space battles, racing along at high speed, monsters, and lightsaber duels. Since there will be lightsaber combat, at least one of the antagonists must (in some fashion) either be Sith or Dark Jedi. That means there's at least a 50/50 chance that a villain or the villain will be a Sith.

No Sith Lords? that won't happen.
It's too epic to be turned down.

Dark Jedi maybe, not Sith.

I can't see characters like Jerec or Dessan or Tavion being used, but similar characters could be created.

With early hyperdrives and navcomps not exactly being known for reliability, it's quite possible that there are whole groups of Sith out there!

He meant the last trained Jedi will you be, otherwise: "...pass on what you have leaaaarnt..." would make no sense

Personally I would love to see Asaj Ventress as the main villain, after all she seems to survive the Clone Wars and is pissed at the Jedi and the Sith. A female Villain would be great.

I disagree. The Sith dogma followed the rule of two. IF there were Sith everywhere then we'd know about them.

Only the Banite Sith followed the Rule of Two, and Bane was only 1000 years pre-RotS. There could be Sith from the earlier periods, like the Great Hyperspace War or the Exar Kun/Revan/Sith Empire era where the Rule of Two just didn't apply - it hadn't been invented.

If a hyperdrive/navcomp had taken them outside the explored and colonised parts of the Galaxy, and had then failed completely; then it is highly likely that they would not be known about until some unfortunate explorer or smuggler set down on that planet!

That's not canon. Anything outside the movies sgets over-ruled by the movies and according to ROTS there are only two Sith.

Until there are movies set in the earlier time period, and they say that there are no lost Sith out there (something that would be unknown to Jedi and the Banite Sith alike during the PT and OT), then I'm afraid that it is canon. The Lost Tribe are an example, and there could be others.

No, but from what we've been told, it sounds like Arndt is writting a screenplay based on Lucas's notes/outline/treatments. The idea of a huge Sith Empire and a Sith Race, and Sith magic and Sith Tombs etc... is an EU construction, not Lucas's. As far as I remember Lucas said on one of the commentarys (I'd have to rewatch to be 100% sure) that the Sith in his universe are only 2000 years old, it was an ordered created by a Jedi who left the Order, they took over the Republic and ruled it for an amount of time, and then were destory by in fighting.

IF that is Lucas's take ont he Sith (making that the G-Canon Sith), then its unlikely that other lower level canon Sith ideas would make it into the movie.