ST Should the ST rhyme?

Most here probably already know what I mean by that. The OT and PT, while telling very different stories, have a number of similarities strung throughout each corresponding episode, i.e. I with IV, II with V, and III with VI. Things like the older Jedi mentor dying, losing a hand, etc.

The titles were similar. (TPM and ANH being vague and static, AOTC and TESB being 4 words and proactive, & ROTS and ROTJ being polar opposites.)

Most of all, the themes were similar. (TPM and ANH, while having tinges of darkness and implications of bigger things, were both lighter and more kid friendly & able to function as stand alone films with a happy ending; AOTC and TESB were also a little more mature and ended on an uneasy cliff hanger; ROTS and ROTJ were both darker and climactic, seeing as they were the concluding acts of their respective trilogies.)

My question is this: Do you think the ST will follow this pattern?

IMO, it already appears they aren't. (The Force Awakens is a structurally different title; We're hearing reports that the tone is quite dark, maybe that it ends on a cliff hanger)

Of course, who knows anything for sure at this point. Any thoughts?


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FIRST!

Yes, yes I do.

 

Not in the context of
A mentor dying in the first movie of each trilogy
Someone loses a limb in the second
and so forth

I don't mind similarities. But don't make it so obvious.

 

Yes, of course. I was just citing those as examples. Personally, I would prefer that the 'rhyming' continue discreetly, but especially in regard to the first act being lighter and relatively self contained.





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I agree with what some others here have said: I don't mind the "rhyming" of certain themes, but I thought the prequels were a bit TOO blatant about it, and I'd prefer the new movies didn't do that. I don't need to see another Skywalker blow up a Death Star thing in the first film, an asteroid chase in the second film, a rehash of the throne room in the third film, etc, etc. If it's done with some subtlety, then it's fine.

 

Yes yes and yes..

 

Hopefully they will leave rhyming to Dr. Dre from now on, and just focus on making a good, original and imaginative story.


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Sith Sabres are Red
Jedi Sabres are Blue
The Force Awakens
Sequels are poodoo

 

Yes, I agree about imitating specific events. However, I think rhyming MOODS work well. For instance, the first part being lighter, the second more mature and possibly a cliff hanger, and the third more climactic, rather than putting it all out there right away without a build-up. I'm just worried they're gonna jump right into 'ultra dark' stuff to appease people who don't want ANY cute/humorous/lighthearted aspects in a SW film, (even though that's never been the case), and to please the guys who are insecure in their adulthood and need gritty films with dark moods so they can tell themselves 'ooh yeah, I'm a bad boy' and not be embarrassed about it. If TFA gets rated PG-13, something definitely will be off. Not quite the same saga. I'm sure it'll be a great movie anyway, even though the OT nostalgia that'll likely be played up.





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The Force Awakens title is consistent with the titles for Episodes 1 and 4. Without knowing the details of TFA, it isn't a jump to say that the first title in each trilogy refers to a person and/or power that changes the dynamics in the galaxy. As the phantom menace, Palpatine starts orchestrating events to claim power. As a new hope, Luke is a beacon for the rebellion and for the Jedi against the Empire/Sith. If Force users are largely underground and disbursed, maybe Rey's journey leads to a Jedi awakening, etc.

I think they should rhyme to some degree. It is all one saga. Each trilogy is a different hero's journey, there are parallels there. Beyond that, it adds layers and texture to the saga. There are similarities and points of divergence in how Anakin handled situations vs. how Luke did (consider the enhanced emotional impact of certain scenes in ROTS and ROTJ when you compare the differences in how they acted/reacted.)

JJ and Kasdan are tuned into this, fair to expect to see some rhyming.

 

Wasn't their a character in GODV who spoke in limerick?

 

I don't really think it's going to "rhyme" that much it looks like they're going in a new direction


But someone has to get something cut off it's not Star Wars if they don't

 

It'll rhyme like




Yea, I couldn't find a smaller meme that suited this post.

 

To a degree yes. To me the rhyming is sort of a tradition in Star Wars. Now not everything should rhyme or exactly. The new movies need to be their own too.

 

No, it should be faster and more intense.

 

Yes! I think ROTJ is much more powerful after seeing ROTS. Father and son made different choices; Palpatine was willing to drop Vader just like he did Dooku when a new potential apprentice came along; etc.





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It should be like poetry. Every stanza rhymes

 

No. I disliked that in the PT, frankly. The only thing that saved rhyming trilogies previously was the father/son thing. Now that that's done, they need to be original.

 

I could not disagree more about the title

I find that "The Force Awakens" is absolutely perfectly analogous to both "The Phantom Menace" and "A New Hope"

All are three word phrases that set the tone of the trilogy regarding the Force in some way. TPM subtly refers to the dark side (Sidious), ANH subtly refers to the light side (Luke) and it could be said this captures the tone of each trilogy, as the PT is about the rise of the dark side, and the OT is about the return of the light side

"The Force Awakens," however, refers directly to the Force itself, and given the fact that it seems the ST will be more spiritual and explore the Force deeper than ever before, it sets up perhaps a tone of neutral balance (as set by Anakin) and a very blurred moral line

I ADORE the title chosen for Ep VII and eagerly await the titles for Ep VIII and Ep IX

 

It's still one of those questions that depends on whether VII-IX is the end of the Saga. If it is, then definitely rhyme. One thing I hate is a trilogy whose third part is different in basic ways that the other two are similar. I hate lopsided trilogies.

 

I think 7-9 should "rhyme" in places, like the losing of a hand in 2 for example and the end shot with the droids as seen in AOTC and TESB, but after the sequel trilogy they should move away from this for 10, 11 and 12 (if they happen)

 

Which means what exactly? The "only thing" father/son WAS the thing. That was the entire point. So the only thing that saved it was itself.

As for original let's see. Luke, Leia and Han with their sidekicks Chewie and the Droids, the Falcon, X-Wings, TIE fighters, Stormtroopers, some versions of the Empire and Rebels and Jedi and Sith and so on and so on. New characters who echo the previous generation with their sidekicks who will no doubt do the exact same kind of things in the same kinds of stories which would make it Star Wars. Th

The very fact that it's called The Force Awakens tells you it's going to center things on the Force in ways that are going to likely be that much deeper as from the OT was to the PT.

So anyone looking for originality in the overall isn't going to get it. The originality as always is in the details.

As this points out the overall thematic structure is actually in ring form so as well as those there is also the story structure, thematic and visual rhythms between I-VI, II-V and III-IV.

http://www.starwarsringtheory.com/

 

IMO - a better descriptor is 'motif' rather than rhyme, with the constant comparison of the STAR WARS Saga to symphonic or operatic music and its organization into movements rather like acts in a story.

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplayl...re-psychological-motifs-in-mythology-20141028

Oh, and yes, it must have this particular element if it is to be anything like we know to be STAR WARS.