ST Should the ST rhyme?

"Which means what exactly?" -- It means that it made a lazy sort of sense that Luke would be a lot like his dad.

"The "only thing" father/son WAS the thing. That was the entire point. So the only thing that saved it was itself." -- And now that it's not about a father/son, it needs to be it's own thing. So no more rhyming.

 

You know what'd make a really neat rhyme?

Star War: The Seventh Gathers: Power Wake

 

Star Wars: Such Force. So Power. Wow

 

I'd argue that the lineage could continue through Rey, whether or not she is the child of Luke or the child of Han. In that way, they could continue the rhyming schemes. And, in a way, the comments about "passing on the torch" have already sort of confirmed that said rhyming scheme does exist to some extent in the ST. In a way TFA needs to be as close to RotJ as RotS was to ANH. It's serving as the "bridge" between two trilogies, but in reverse. While RotS had to take all the PT plotlines and resolve them while also slowly easing into the OT (To mixed results), TFA has to take all the "resolution" of RotJ and undo it all, scattering all the plotlines and ripping itself away from the OT to become its own universe. With that in mind, the idea of the force returning in strength not seen in centuries because of the slow and steady stagnation of the Jedi Order is a perfect way to throw the "resolution" of the OT's ending back out of shape.

 

I would prefer it to be not so obvious and for this trilogy to introduce more new things. Sure, we have most of the OT characters and the Falcon coming back, I think that is enough of a call back though. I'd like this new trilogy to risk and push the new characters/ideas to build upon what we already know and love but not be blatant about it.

 

Like Dr. Seuss?

 

That's not lazy that is the story. You don't like it fine but it's not in any way lazy. It's quite difficult. Most film-makers might have made it in a "lazy" way by making Anakin and Luke the exact same person. They aren't.

Father and son was just what was used. It could be father and daughter as well. The rhyming is happening already.

 

So telling the same story three times isn't lazy? Whatever. And there is zero indication that Rei is Luke's daughter. That's a big leap.

 

or Dr. Dre?

 

No, like Dr. Who

 

The ST rhyme?

That would be a crime

UKS

 

China Plate = Mate
Dog n Bone = Phone
The Force Awakens = Flakens Takens.....I got nuttin'

 

Rhyming is a wonderful part of the SW saga; I think it's amazing how Lucas used all the familiar narrative elements and successfully incorporated them in a space opera and, above that, he recycled those elements not only from one trilogy to another, but within the trilogies themselves. The main part is an archetype; the main hero, ''born'' and raised on Tatooine under different circumstances gets engulfed in a galactic chain of events, he's tempted and finally presented with a choice at a point where Anakin and Luke took different paths. Although the PT and the OT follow a very similar pattern, they're different enough not to be seen as a copy-paste. I do hope the ST follows that style; Ridley's character resides on a desert planet (Tatooine?), that's a good sign for the main storyline (Anakin, Luke, Tatooine). I mean, they are bragging they'll return to the OT feel, there shouldn't be any problem to follow the rhyme... Or the ring theory.

 

The rhyming is happening already? Not to my knowledge it isn't. In fact, the details of the plot are still very much under lock and key. So just how have you come to that assumption? Are you privvy to details the rest of us aren't?

 

Yes, they are privy to details of the rhyming presuming they've seen the first two trilogies or six installments. I wouldn't doubt the new hero is an off-world, Tatooine raised relation to the Skywalkers.


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Wow. So you think the PT and OT tell the same story twice . . . and alot of other disgruntled fans think the PT wasn't faithful to the OT. :/





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It's fun to have fun
But 30 years later
War had begun

Captain Solo, we got a message
A message
Hooray!

Well come on now cadet, what does it say?

 

First off, it really doesn't matter to me what other folks say. I don't even really pay attention. Plenty of other folks heap crap on the PT, while it wasn't really as good as the OT it's hardly a bad trilogy aside from a few plot holes (Sifo-dyas being the most glaring, that just gets totally let go). Some folks slavishly defend the PT, acting as if any criticism at all is like someone insulting their mommy. I've seen people write entire wall-of-text posts on messageboards "proving" that the PT is a steaming pile, and then proceed to sit there for WEEKS essentially trolling the PT's fans. The same can be said of the PT's defenders, there are people who seem to believe that anything under the mantle of Star Wars is perfect and anyone that doesn't feel the same way isn't a true fan, as if there's a litmus test. All of the above is ridiculous to me so i don't pay attention as it has nothing to do with me.

So i'm not a "disgruntled fan." I love Star Wars the way an adult loves stuff, rather than the way a five year old loves mommy ("Mommy is perfect, mommy is always right, anyone who disagrees with mommy is BAD!"). If it has flaws, i'm cool with it. I never even minded Jar Jar, and PT haters loathe him. He's an orange frog from the planet Naboo, not the Antichrist!

As to the topic: All the major skywalker plot points happen to both characters at roughly the same times: Untrained schmuck blows up giant enemy craft thus saving the day. Same guy loses limb at the end of the second movie. Someone tries to feed same guy to some critter while a bunch of folks watch (how many times do we need to see the heroes fed to something in one saga, did James Bond use up all the deathtraps or something?). Essentially the same scene with the duel in front of the Emperor. (This, along with Obi-Wan seeing his mentor die, is the only one that should definitely have been in there because the former serves as foreshadowing, while the latter explains Ben's martyrdom in ANH). It seems as if Luke being "like his father" has to be all visual rather than characterization, as if people are too stupid to see similarities in personality and have to be hand-held to that conclusion. I don't want to see stuff i've seen twice before, or more in the case of animal snacks or severed limbs. I want to see new stuff.

I don't want to see any more rhyming, folks are just going to have to live with that. I'll admit to being a little irked that this all makes me a "disgruntled fan."


EDIT: Just to add, i've also totally gone off on "disgruntled fans" of the "GL raped my childhood" variety without mercy and many, many curse words (and in a manner that would likely get me permabanned if i pulled it on TFN). Those idiots really grate me. Being dissappointed in a few movies does NOT equate to "raped my childhood." Not when there are people out there who literally have that happen to them.

 

Count Zero:
Love your honest, blunt expression . . . "Untrained schmuck" had me laughing. Thanks for specifying your point of view

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All the Sith down in Sithville
Hated the Alliance a lot
But Master Skywalker who lived just south of Sithville
Did not

 

I'm all for rhyming, as long as the callbacks are subverted in some way and not just history repeating itself. For instance, I like how the Boyega shot in the trailer seems to echo a shot from ANH: a stormtrooper pops into frame on (probably) Tatooine, but while in ANH, the trooper is looking for the hero, the TFA shot features a stormtrooper hero that is being hunted (if rumors are true). Classic Star Wars imagery turned on its head. I wouldn't mind more of that.

 

Now see, that's not a bad idea.

 

Yes, I want it to rhyme. The dialogues I mean

I can almost hear the bad guy saying: Let me explain. You will feal some pain.

 

I resisted this, but because it's so cute...

 

The way prequles were doing it, was part of their annoying continuity porn. I definitely prefer the more subtle references.