Discussion Should there be nebulas, black holes, planets with different gravity/atmospheres, etc.?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Spoilers Allowed' started by Ghost, Aug 2, 2013.

  1. Count Yubnub Force Ghost

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    As a side note, the AOTC chase took place inside Geonosis' rings, not in an asteroid belt. This has some importance to the plot; a relatively mediocre pilot like Obi-Wan can fly through the planetary rings with relative ease, yet an expert pilot like Han Solo has considerable difficulty maneuvering the asteroid field (while C-3PO yells about the odds of succesfully navigating an asteroid field). This is because planetary rings are relatively stable, while asteroid fields are very volatile--and not just in th Stat Wars universe, but also in real life.

    (I asked about this on the IMDb after AOTC was released (back when I stll posted there), and somebody kindly explained the above to me, complete with references to articles in astrophysics journals. Unfortunately I didn't save those references.)
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  2. Dranem Jedi Grand Master

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    Well I don't get caught up in specifics. As others have mentioned, this is Star Wars not Star Trek. :) I was just trying to point out that the more the movies reflect each other while at the same time adding something new, the better they are. There are certain beats and recalls that every Star Wars film needs to take, IMHO.

    If you really want to get nitpicky, asteroid belts are not cluttered with tightly coupled rocks as the films portray them:

    http://cde.nwc.edu/SCI2108/course_documents/solar_system/asteroids/asteroids.htm
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  3. EviL_eLF Chosen One

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    Star Wars has already done this in Revenge of the Sith... Luke and Leia were born on a Base on the surface of an Asteroid in the middle of an Asteroid belt.

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  4. Echo Base Jedi Grand Master

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    Yes, true but that is a bit different from hollowing out an asteroid and turning it into a huge hangar which was McQuarrie's idea.
  5. Count Yubnub Force Ghost

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    Well... unlike the AOTC planetary ring chase, that is kind of inconsistent with the way asteroid fields were portrayed in ESB. Oh well.
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    New upcoming dvd/blu ray release of ESB...

    Leia: You're not going into an asteroid field... I was born here, you know...
    Han: Sit tight, sweetheart... you're going to die here, you know...
  7. EviL_eLF Chosen One

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    Didn't know all asteroid fields were alike. Also, didn't Han go closer to a big one because of it's stability?
  8. EHT New Films Manager

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    I think it was either the stability or the greater chances of it having good places to hide.
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  9. El Jedi Colombiano Jedi Grand Master

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    We did see in the Clone Wars a planet with an orange sky, which was Abafar.

    I guess it could work.
  10. Echo Base Jedi Grand Master

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    A gas giant is a place we haven't really explored yet. I know we had Bespin but we never really dived into the atmosphere. There is a small risk here is that JJ might be accused of rehashing his previous ideas, since he had the Enterprise rise out of Titan's gases in his first Trek film but I am thinking more in terms of the wonderful descriptions of alien creatures gliding at different levels of Jupiter's atmosphere in Arthur C. Clarke's 2061: Odyssey Three.
  11. Sarge Chosen One

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    I never read 2061, but I remember a short story, pretty sure it was written by Clarke, about a balloon probe in Jupiter's atmosphere. The title may have been Meeting with Medusa. It's probably been 30 years since I read that.
  12. Sith-Mullet Force Ghost

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    I want to see some different planets and newer races.
  13. DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR Chosen One

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    Mediocre pilot? Really? If anything, Obi-Wan showed us that he was very good pilot. He just didn't like flying.
  14. Count Yubnub Force Ghost

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    Well, "mediocre" was kind of overstating my case, sure.
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  15. JediKnightOB1 Force Ghost

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    I want to see things that we have not seen in the other films. Something that is fantastic.
  16. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    Black holes have been done before by Disney- how about neutron stars?
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  17. JediGirl_Angelina Force Ghost

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    Space shipyards would definitely look fantastic. I mean, all those massive warships and transports would likely to be assembled in space, rather than on the surface. Imagine the sight!
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  18. Ganger Chosen One

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    This! Used universe to the next level, and an amazing platform for easter eggs which I'm sure the lot of you would be psyched about.
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  19. phatdude1138 Force Ghost

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    Visually I'm ok with it, but not plot points. Also no gravity issues. Physics and science didn't apply to ESB when they walked around the asteroid worms stomach with just a mask on, not to mention I doubt the asteroid had enough mass to have perfect "earth like" gravity. Remember Star Wars is more of a fairy tale than a science based story.

    I agree with the folks here that say "the science is more of a Star Trek thing". I know, the PT haters will bring up midiclorians, so lets not make it worse by bringing up how come lightsabers don't pass through each other? Or black holes or worm holes or science topics.

    I like the idea of "space back drops", but science research is best left to Star Trek.
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  20. Ryus Force Ghost

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    How about this in the total opposite direction of unique objects in space to photshop into the background, a totally black background against a ship orbiting a planet. Then the ship flies into the planets shadow and the stars then become visible... but with no one in the scene explaining it and the plot just moving forward.
  21. Mystery Roach Chosen One

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    Can we just take a moment to remember that we're talking about movies that portray sound in space and solid state lasers which self-terminate at a meter's length? Any more than the most minuscule amount of scientific realism would diminish the fantasy aspects of Star Wars which set it apart from true science fiction. I'd have no problem with using the pretty colors of a nebula as a backdrop, but beyond that, I say leave it all out.
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    *See: Page One* :p
  23. Count Yubnub Force Ghost

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    Agreed. Plus, I for one would like it to be internally consistent.
  24. Echo Base Jedi Grand Master

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    There was a rumour the other day about New Mexico being used as a location, possibly as a substitute for Tunisia for the Tatooine scenes. Honestly, I hope this isn't the case. American deserts have been used so often in science fiction in the past, from b-schlock of the 1950s, through to television Trek, through to recent (failed) blockbusters like John Carter and, as a non-American, I can say that these environments we see over and over again never feel remotely alien or exotic to me.
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