Sidious said only one cheated death. Was he talking about his former master?

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  1. Master_Obi-One Jedi Youngling

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    Remember when he was talking to Anakin? How did Darth Plaguis cheat death? By the way did Plaguis create Anakin? Cause how could Sideous raise Darth Maul and be an apprentice? The time frame with Anakin's birth and that stuff isn't right?
  2. TheCRZA Jedi Master

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    Sidious says that Plagueis' apprentice killed him in his sleep.
    I infer he's talking about himself and that Plagueis could only
    save others and not himself.
  3. Master_Obi-One Jedi Youngling

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    ^^^I know that. I mean that the time frame is not right.
  4. TheCRZA Jedi Master

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    How so? The time frame, that is?
  5. MOC Yak Face Moderator, Classic Trilogy

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    I think he was trying to convince Anakin that Plagueis had cheated death and that he himself knew the secret. I actually think he was full of **** about the whole thing, because as soon as Anakin turns he back tracks and says that they will find the secret together.
  6. MasterlessPadawan-K9 Jedi Knight

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    I liked what someone suggested on these boards a long while ago relating to Plegious(sp?), saying that Darth P used his Force ability to conceive Palpitine/Sidious. As to the one he possibly saved from death, I say it was the sarrogate mother during child birth of Palpy. *shrugs* And Sidious said that he acheived it, acheiving something, and knowing how it's done are two different things in my mind. It's also possible Sidious has since forgotten a small but vital bit of info about this, thus the 'discovering the secret' bit.
  7. Master_Obi-One Jedi Youngling

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    How so? The time frame, that is?



    I mean remember how old Maul was in Ep.I and how young Anakin was? How could Sideous raise Maul and be an apprentice to Plagius at the same time. Cause there are only 2 Sith no more...no less!
  8. MasterlessPadawan-K9 Jedi Knight

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    People can look a lot younger/older then they really are. Whether it be by genes or make-up.
  9. Agent_SkywalKer Jedi Grand Master

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    Whose to say that Sidious was trained and killed Plaguies BEFORE he got Maul? And Plaguies did NOT create Anakin.
  10. MasterlessPadawan-K9 Jedi Knight

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    I beleive I've hinted at that earlier.
  11. DarthPosterGuy Jedi Knight

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    Why would he lie the first time and tell the truth the second time? Meh...

    Regardless, which one was true?
  12. Darth_Sideous Jedi Master

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    How could Sideous raise Maul and be an apprentice to Plagius at the same time.

    He didn't. Plaguis takes on Sidious as his apprentice. Sidious kills him. Sidious then takes on Maul (who could have been an infant OR an adult when trained), Maul dies and Sidious recruits Dooku. There's no discrepency in the timeline at all. We don't know how old Sidious is, how old he was when he killed Plaguis, nor how old Maul was when he was trained.

    And Plaguis did not create Anakin, nor is there any proof that he even COULD cheat death. Sidious is sucking Anakin into his web. Anakin is having these premonitions about death, and Sidious conveniently tells him that he knows how to prevent death, because his former master taught him how. It's just a big crock to turn Anakin. The only truth was that Plaguis was Sidious' master, and Sidious killed him in his sleep.
  13. voodoopuuduu Classic Trilogy Trivia Host

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    Anakin is having these premonitions about death, and Sidious conveniently tells him that he knows how to prevent death, because his former master taught him how. It's just a big crock to turn Anakin. The only truth was that Plaguis was Sidious' master, and Sidious killed him in his sleep.



    Yep. For all we know, the loved one Plageus saved was his cat, Darth Toonces. :p
  14. Lord_Alved_Pepom Jedi Knight

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    Well, I love these Plaguis plotholes, fore they are the basis for my fanfilm...haha.


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    MY series of Sith Legends films!


    Plaguis saves himself in my film...and takes on an apprentice in Palpatine in the end...but meh, that doesnt help you all much does it? lol


    It's my belief though that Plaguis created Anakin, but that whole thing is really open to what you want to believe right now, basically.






  15. Carnage04 Jedi Grand Master

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    Hmmm. Crazy, out of nowhere idea on the rough outline of how this COULD have went.

    1. Plagueis is Sids master and is researching ways to create life through the force. Sids is not living up to the potential that he expected and wants a replacement that he can raise from birth.

    2. Plagueis is so infatuated with his project that he neglects Sideous so much that Sids has time to begin training Maul as his apprentice for when the time comes.

    3. Plagueis informs Sids that he has indeed created life. Anakin Skywalker is concieved. The force, seeing the sith gain such power, plays it's hand and pumps the Sith Lord's creation FULL of midichlorians.

    4. Plagueis refuses to teach Sidious his newfound power to keep him under control untill his rightful apprentice Anakin can take his place. Sidious, realizing he is going to be double crossed, gets the jump on Plagueis and kills him.

    5. Sideous searches Holocrons of his old master. They are void of information on creating life. Sideous, angry at everyone and everything begins to plot his takeover of the galaxy.

    6. Maul dies, and a fatherless Jedi with incredible power appears. Sideous knows that this boy is the only lead on finding the techniques of his old Master. He begins to draw Anakin to the dark side so that he may aid him in finding out how to use the Midi's to create/extend life.

    7. Palps tells Anakin the story of Plageous, Anakin gets interested. He finds out that Sidious is plagues's apprentice and must know the power (Although he doesn't now he was the experiment.)

    8. When Anakin betrays Mace, Sideous feels that he holds the key to immortality AND the galaxy in his hand in the form of Anakin. That is POWER. UNLIMITED POWER.

    9. He explains that he and Anakin need to work together to find the power.

    Hehe, of course I did just make all of this up. Imagination can be fun when it comes to Star Wars. I'm sure my theory is not on par with what Lucas thinks, but it would explain why the force became unbalanced (Sith Lords becoming waaay too powerful), and why Sidious is desperate to turn Anakin and later keep him alive.

    Carnage
  16. DarthWolvo23 Jedi Master

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    intrestingly, the author of the new dark lord novel says he would love to write a novel on how Darth Plagueis and Qui-Gon were both looking for a different knid of immortality and only Qui-Gon achieved this.

    That would be some book...
  17. voodoopuuduu Classic Trilogy Trivia Host

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    Well, I love these Plaguis plotholes, fore they are the basis for my fanfilm...haha.



    If youre going down the Plagueis creates Anakin route in your fanfilm, it would be cool show the grotesque mistakes he made before he got it right. :p
  18. Carnage04 Jedi Grand Master

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    It was already shown!

    "Meesa Jar-Jar Binks!"

    Carnage
  19. TheCRZA Jedi Master

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    How could Sideous raise Maul and be an apprentice to Plagius at the same time. Cause there are only 2 Sith no more...no less!

    It seems to me that the Sith have their backup plan in place before offing
    their master. Anakin is 9, so if Plags caused his conception,
    somewhere in those 9 years and 9 months, Sidious found Maul somewhere
    and then killed Plags.

    It funny, I sort of interpret TPM now as Sids sending out Maul to draw
    out the jedi, and by that means, draw out the chosen one.
    Perhaps he never knew where Plags did his dirty little did
    so Sids had to be clever to figure out where the chosen one would come from.
  20. yoshifett Jedi Grand Master

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  21. janstett Force Ghost

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    Why the whole bit with "using the Midichlorians to create life" then, since it was irrelevant to Anakin's questions? We know his mother says there was no father, and we know Anakin's midi count was off the charts.
  22. sushimilk Jedi Knight

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    i got it!!!
    i know who he was talking about

    what if he was referring to Mace??
  23. Dezdmona Jedi Master

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    Palpatine is a Sith and an expert at twisting the truth. He knows what Anakin wants to hear...

    If you suppose for a moment that the Force created Anakin, and Palpatine knows this, being a Sith he is also well versed in midichlorians and their implications. It would be quite simple for a powerful Sith like Palps to conjure a "legend" about a Sith being "so powerful he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life...He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying".
  24. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

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    Lucas said that either the Sith created Anakin or the Force did. There is no correct answer. But we are not talking about that. We are talking about the power to cheat death. Palpatine is refering to Darth Plaugeis, who could do it. I'm not even sure why we're debating this. Palpatine made it clear. He said that Darth Plaugeis save his loved ones from dying, in the Galaxies Theatre. He then says only one had accomplished this. He is still talking about Plagueis, because he's the only one who could do this. But Palpatine is versed in the Dark Side. He knows how to become powerful and that together, they can find out how he did it, by working together.
  25. adamlee Force Ghost

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    yes he was talking about his master.But he doesn't have a clue how to do the same.It is just a way to get Anakin to turn.If I was Anakin,when he says the power to cheat death is something only one has achieved,but we can work together," I would have said "WHAT?? You don't know how?Time out.You told me you had the power.Where did that go? Then it would have been on probably.I just think Anakin would believe anything he said at that point.
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