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PT Significant mirroring between Episode One and Episode Three (Warning: Image Heavy-Slow Loading)

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by HevyDevy, Sep 9, 2014.

  1. MarcJordan

    MarcJordan Jedi Master star 4

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    Padme and Anakin destined! Telling Palpatine no less.

    My fate will be the same as our people.

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    His fate will be the same as ours.



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    GL, you are Star Wars.

    MJ
     
  2. HevyDevy

    HevyDevy Jedi Master star 4

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    Beat you to it earlier in this thread.
    ;)
     
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  3. MarcJordan

    MarcJordan Jedi Master star 4

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    Blast! :p

    MJ
     
  4. Subtext Mining

    Subtext Mining Jedi Knight star 3

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    And what's interesting is Padme & Anakin's similar fates on that fateful night in RotS.
     
  5. MarcJordan

    MarcJordan Jedi Master star 4

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    Hevy, if you have this already....I'll sell my soul! [face_nail_biting][face_batting]

    "Gungans won't go down without a fight! Wesa warriors!"
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    Jar Jar inadvertently gives Padme an idea and plan to fight the Federation Army.

    See Obi Wan's perplexed face at the moment the Queen asks Jar Jar "Jar Jar Binks....I need your help" ( Now is the time)
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    Looks to me that Obi Wan learn something from the Padme Handbook. :cool:

    "If you have warriors, now is the time"

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    Cheers!

    MJ
     
  6. MarcJordan

    MarcJordan Jedi Master star 4

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    "A tragedy has occurred...." Palpatine way of trying to convince Padme to remove Valorum for he is weak.


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    "Have you ever heard of the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the wise?" Palpatine trying to convince Anakin to remove the Jedi for their weaknesses.

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    Padme and Anakin vital instruments by use of obfuscation by Palpatine to control the whole Galaxy.

    Cheers!

    MJ
     
  7. MarcJordan

    MarcJordan Jedi Master star 4

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    Anakin (telling Artoo): Go back? Qui-Gon (Anakin’s master at the time) told me to stay in this cockpit, so that's what I'm gonna do.


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    Anakin: Artoo, go back. I need you to stay with the ship.


    Obi Wan (Anakin’s master at the time): Here, take this, and wait for orders.

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    Bonus: (mostly tongue in cheek to be honest) :p

    Padme asking Captain Panaka: "What's the situation?" (notice it is just after Boss Nass promotes Jar Jar to General)

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    General Grievous : "What's the situation, Captain?"


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    Cheers!

    MJ
     
  8. HevyDevy

    HevyDevy Jedi Master star 4

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    Nice, but I already posted the second mirror, noticed the "captain" connection.
     
  9. MarcJordan

    MarcJordan Jedi Master star 4

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    Still, I love the coincidental "Green theme" in both scenes. Also the top one in natural surroundings (on land), and the second one the mechanical surroundings (on a starship) way above the atmosphere. Not to mention the flesh vs machine incidence.

    MJ
     
  10. HevyDevy

    HevyDevy Jedi Master star 4

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    Ha, hadn't thought about the use of green in the Grievous shot, weird.
    And yes, there is a recurrence of nature vs machine in many places in the saga Imo.

    Speaking on this thread in general, I have long thought that Lucas wrote ROTS based heavily on all other SW films at the time, most heavily ROTS and TPM. ROTS kind of being their "dark mirror".

    Kashyyk and Endor are kind of inverse green planets as well.


    Btw, I noticed some of our images aren't working because of photobucket changes. Do you know if this is a monthly limit issue, or permanent?
     
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  11. MarcJordan

    MarcJordan Jedi Master star 4

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    Photobucket no longer allows third party hosting unless one pays yearly subscription of 399.00 sheesh!
    MJ
     
  12. HevyDevy

    HevyDevy Jedi Master star 4

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    That seems steep, I wonder why one of my accounts is still showing here?

    Btw, that was a typo before, I meant to say ROTS strongly mirrors ROTJ and TPM.
     
  13. MarcJordan

    MarcJordan Jedi Master star 4

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    TPM:

    YODA : Master Qui-Gon more to say have you?

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    QUI-GON : With your permission, my Master. I have encountered a vergence inthe Force.
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    YODA : A vergence, you say?

    MACE WINDU : Located around a person?
    QUI-GON : A boy... his cells have the highest concentration of midi-chlorians I have seen in a life form. It is possible he was conceived by the midi-chlorians.

    MACE WINDU : You're referring to the prophesy of the one who will bring balance to the Force...you believe it's this boy??

    QUI-GON : I don't presume...
    YODA : But you do! Revealed your opinion is.
    QUI-GON : I request the boy be tested.
    YODA : Trained as a Jedi, you request for him?

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    QUI-GON : Finding him was the will of the Force...I have no doubt of that.

    ROTS:

    YODA: Master Kenobi, wait a moment. In your solitude on Tatooine, training I have for you.

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    OBI-WAN: Training?
    YODA: An old friend has learned the path to immortality. One who has returned from the netherworld . . . your old Master.
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    OBI-WAN: Qui-Gon!
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    YODA: How to commune with him. I will teach you.

    MJ
     
  14. Delta Scepter

    Delta Scepter Jedi Knight star 1

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    "Please update your account to enable 3rd party hosting."
     
  15. HevyDevy

    HevyDevy Jedi Master star 4

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    Fixed.
    Well, 2 out of 3 of my photobucket accounts anyway.
     
  16. HevyDevy

    HevyDevy Jedi Master star 4

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    I transferred this bunch across if anyone is interested.

    Firstly, parallels concerning Obi-Wan's two most important fights in the PT:



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    Jumping towards Sith apprentice
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    Jumping away from Sith apprentice, fighting defensively
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    Kicking Kenobi into a backflip (x2)
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    Duel ends when Kenobi loses a saber-lock
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    Duel ends when Obi-Wan retreats out of the saber-lock to high-ground
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    Qui-Gon's Jedi saber is force-grabbed by Obi-Wan at confrontation's end. Obi-Wan is now a Jedi, no longer a padawan to Qui-Gon...
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    Obi-Wan takes Anakin's Jedi saber at duel's end. Obi-Wan is no longer Anakin's master...
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  17. Gigoran Monk

    Gigoran Monk Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    To me, this thread mostly boils down to:

    TPM: Great-looking shot
    ROTS: Ugly-looking shot
     
  18. HevyDevy

    HevyDevy Jedi Master star 4

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    Well that's slightly defeating. [face_dunno]
    But I agree TPM does indeed look better in some of the shots. More Earthly, maybe?
    But it is more the thematic contrast I'm interested in.




    TPM
    (Qui-Gon stated earlier) - "My droid (R2-D2) has a readout of the parts I need.":
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    ROTS
    Obi-Wan: "Artoo, locate the Chancellor!"
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    ...And each holo-ed ship's cockpits:
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    This is cool I think:
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    Trapped by lasers:
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    Anakin: "I say patience."
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    Obi-Wan: "Patience?"
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    ;)








    Sith mission:
    Maul
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    Vader
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    Hidden main characters located:
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    "Hidden" Separatists killed:
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    Soon after, a duel:
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    Soon after, a duel:
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    Qui-Gon gets away on Padme's ship:
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    Obi-Wan gets away on Padme's ship
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    Importantly; The next time Qui-Gon and Maul meet Qui-Gon is killed. The next time Obi-Wan and Vader meet (A New Hope) Obi-Wan is killed.










    Tranquility versus entering hell:
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  19. HevyDevy

    HevyDevy Jedi Master star 4

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    Last post.


    Separatist/TF threat:
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    Empire threat:
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    I think the scale difference at work in these two films is quite intentional...

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    Maul and Dooku's deaths:

    Cloaks off:
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    Backwards kick takes Obi-Wan out of the fight for a while
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    Backwards kicking Anakin to force-choke/throw Obi-Wan out of the fight
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    Obi-Wan defenceless to Maul...
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    ...Dooku defenceless to Anakin. A key difference weaved quite richly into the entire Star Wars mythos.
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    Obi-Wan knighted, partially for killing a Sith in combat:
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    Vader knighted for killing Dooku to replace him as apprentice, and betraying Mace to prove his loyalty to Palpatine:
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  20. Tonyg

    Tonyg Jedi Master star 3

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    After so much pages of great analysis, ranting again. Well, what could I say... Anyway, ROTS is beautiful and in the same way, scary and dark, as is should be, it represents the darkest time of the whole Saga. And in a way, the lowest. Great insights, Hevy and Mcjordan.
     
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  21. MarcJordan

    MarcJordan Jedi Master star 4

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    Father figure looking directly at Anakin : "Always remember. Your focus determines your reality"


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    Father figure looking away from Anakin : "...your anger. It gives you focus. Makes you stronger"

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    MJ
     
  22. HevyDevy

    HevyDevy Jedi Master star 4

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    End of each movie demonstrates "before" and "after" Palpatine eliminates Obi-Wan and Padme from the equation:
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  23. MarcJordan

    MarcJordan Jedi Master star 4

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    Get ready:cool: ....

    TPM:

    Obi Wan: Master Yoda says I should be mindful of the future...


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    Qui Gon: Don't center on your anxieties Obi Wan. Keep your concentration here and now where it belongs. Be Mindful of the Living Force my young Padawan.


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    Gunray : What, What did you say?!!!
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    TC 14 : "The Ambassadors are Jedi Knights, I believe"
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    Dofine: I knew it! They're here to force a settlement"


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    Gunray: Distract them. I will contact Lord Sidious.

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    ROTS:



    Chancellor Palpatine/Sidious : Only through me, you can achieve a power greater than any Jedi. Learn to know the dark side of the Force, Anakin, and you will be able to save your wife from certain death.

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    Anakin: What did you say?!!!

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    Use my knowledge. I beg you.

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    You're the Sith Lord (Sidious)!


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    Cheers!

    MJ






     
  24. MarcJordan

    MarcJordan Jedi Master star 4

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    TPM:

    "...It's what I've always dreamed of doing!"

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    ROTS:

    "I have become more powerful than any Jedi has ever dreamed of!"

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    MJ
     
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  25. MarcJordan

    MarcJordan Jedi Master star 4

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    "Don't worry, The Force will guide us"
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    "Oh Maxi big da Force!"
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    "We're losing power"

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    "Wesa die in here!"

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    "He had such a knowledge of The Force that he could influence the Midichlorians to create life"
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    "He was afraid of losing his power...."

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    "and his apprentice killed him in his sleep"

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    Cheers!

    MJ
     
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