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CT Similarity between Imperial navy trooper outfit and Vader's.

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by The One Above All, Feb 26, 2018.

  1. The One Above All

    The One Above All Jedi Padawan star 1

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    I've always wondered if there was a connection between Vader's attire, and that of the Imperial navy troopers. The designs aren't interchangeable. Vader's helmet for example is a lot smaller and, obviously, the Navy Troopers don't wear masks or capes. That being the case though I've always thought that the designs were too similar to be coincidental. I've heard somewhere that Palpatine modeled Vader's suit after the ancient Sith. Could the same be true of the Navy Troopers, to a lesser extent?

    Here's a few pictures for comparison:
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    Here's the trooper's helmets from the back, and where the parallel is most apparent.
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    General Veers also has a helmet that's basically the same as Vader's, except green. [​IMG]

    Maybe I'm looking too much into it. Still, though, thoughts?
     
  2. Lt. Hija

    Lt. Hija Jedi Master star 4

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  3. Dannik Jerriko

    Dannik Jerriko Jedi Padawan star 1

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    I always thought that the similarities were due to Lucas having drawn so much inspiration from feudal Japan and the movies of Akira Kurosawa. The helmets being inspired by samurai headwear meant that many had a similar shape. That said, I like the idea of these troopers belonging to Vader's guard corps.

    I remember reading somewhere (in what is now Legends) that Palpatine modelled Vader's suit after ancient Sith battle droids.
     
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  4. Lt. Hija

    Lt. Hija Jedi Master star 4

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    Here are some German Wehrmacht goggle links that reveal the obvious historic influence on General Veers' field armor helmet and goggles:
    http://photobucket.com/gallery/user...nRzL2VzLWwxNjAwX3pwc2h2YzVjbXVhLmpwZw==/?ref=
    http://photobucket.com/gallery/user...nRzL2JzLWwxNjAwX3pwczAzejJ1dHBkLmpwZw==/?ref=

    Of course, the Imperial costume design wasn't only influenced by the German Wehrmacht, the Imperial regulation caps were inspired by those worn in the Japanese Navy during WW II (with the Imperial security guard helmet being obviously of Japanese origin...) and the general helmet oversize is reminiscent of the oversized military hats common in former Warsaw Pact countries.

    While I have no intention to hijack this thread, I yesterday came across an image of Dengar, and comparing it to the above screencap of General Veers I was finally able to resolve a riddle that had been bugging me for the past two decades.

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    Dengar is essentially wearing the same kind of armor as General Veers, but obviously one bolt is enough to attach the armor's shoulder strap, yet in the case of Veers there are three bolts. And these three bolts match in size and arrangement the pips of the Alliance rank plaque "commander" (Luke) and "major" (Derlin).

    What's the story? As you can see in this overview from WEG's Imperial Sourcebook (based on a treatise I sent them)...

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    ...the rank plaque "general" distinguishes itself from the (unseen) ranks of "major" and "colonel" by its width and the spacing between the four bars in each row.

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    However, that distinction is totally missing in Veers' field armor, just going by the rank chest plate he rather looks like a "major" or "colonel" and there are no chest-pocket cylinders to enable a distinction.
    Apparently, the amount of bolts on the shoulder strap enable that distinction (and substitute for rank plaque width and amount of chest-pocket cylinders) and have qualities of epaulettes, i.e. one bolt would indicate "major", two bolts would indicate "colonel" and three bolts indicate "general".

    Again, the attention of detail of the late costume designer John Mollo was remarkable and I concur with @Pabawan that ESB provided the best insight into Imperial rank structure (however I feel that also applied to ANH and to a lesser extent in ROJ).
     
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  5. Lt. Hija

    Lt. Hija Jedi Master star 4

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    [​IMG]

    Here is the image that "opened" my eyes, I'm pretty certain the shoulder straps for both costumes (Dengar and Veers) were of the same material.