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PT Sio Bibble says 'there hasn't been a full scale war since the formation of the Republic'

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by SamFenn, Aug 16, 2011.

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  1. DarthPhilosopher

    DarthPhilosopher Chosen One star 6

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    1,000 generations = 25,000 years
     
  2. sith_rising

    sith_rising Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    You're really grasping to make things fit. You could technically make such an assumption, but it pretty much boils down to: Kenobi's ANH line should have been "thousand years" instead of "thousand generations". In the Prequels, Darth Sidious clearly states that the Republic is a thousand years old, so if we factor in that the "oppression of the Sith will never return", the Sith wanting revenge, and the fact that there hasn't been a war since the formation of the Republic (coupled with the Sith having been gone for a 1000 years), the Republic is obviously supposed to be a thousand years old.

    It's not the first PT/OT inconsistency, so don't sweat it.
     
  3. timmoishere

    timmoishere Force Ghost star 6

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    The current incarnation of the Republic is 1000 years old; the Republic overall is around 25000 years old. The EU is not wrong. It doesn't matter what Kenobi's line "should have been;" the line is what it is, and so it has to be taken into account.

    If you haven't heard of the Ruusan Reformations, go look it up on Wookieepedia, or better yet, read the Darth Bane novels. They clearly spell out what happened at the 1000 BBY mark.
     
  4. sith_rising

    sith_rising Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The words "Ruusan" and "Darth Bane" were never once uttered in a Star Wars film. That's all fannon. I'm using the facts as presented in the 6 films, and there is a discrepency. However, there are multiple PT sources that give the impression that the Republic is a thousand years old, having formed after the Sith are removed from power - hence, the Sith disappear for the following thousand years, the Republic lasts a thousand years, and there are no wars for a thousand years.

    Kenobi's ANH "thousand generations" line contradicts this, but we all know Lucas didn't have any of this planned from the beginning, so it's not too surprising.

    Besides, it's too far-fetched to think that the Republic could last 25 thousand years. I'm surprised they lasted a thousand.
     
  5. timmoishere

    timmoishere Force Ghost star 6

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    Darth Bane and Ruusan don't have to be mentioned in the 6 films to be canon; they are not "fannon." Please get your definitions straight. The EU has been canon for quite a long time now, so I don't know why you're clinging to some deluded belief that only the films are canon.

    But you are correct in the essence: At the 1000 BBY mark, there was an army of Jedi fighting against an army of Sith. The two forces fought several battles on the planet Ruusan, none of which were decisive victories for either side. Then a Sith technique known as a thought bomb wiped out a lot of Jedi and seemingly all of the Sith. The Jedi tentatively declared victory, but they didn't know that one Sith, named Darth Bane, had survived. He instituted the Rule of Two for the Sith: one master, one apprentice. And for the next thousand years, the Sith remained in hiding. The surviving Jedi went back to Coruscant where the Chancellor agreed that the Sith had been destroyed, and there was no further need for the Jedi army. The Jedi returned to being counselors and healers, slowing phasing out their martial aspects. The Chancellor also took that opportunity to bring the Jedi more under the control of the government. This act, known as the Ruusan Reformations, totally revamped the Republic.

    Obi-Wan's line in ANH is not an inconsistency. The Ruusan Reformations prove this.
     
  6. DarthPhilosopher

    DarthPhilosopher Chosen One star 6

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    It's not an inconstancy. Obi-Wan says one thousand generations which means roughly twenty-five thousand years. The original Republic was founded 25,000 years prior to the Saga and was established in its current form (meaning a new constitution) 1,000 years prior to the films. The EU is completely irrelevant. This is G-Canon. Fact. Why does it need to be an inconsistency when their is a perfectly reasonable explanation? It is implied that roughly 1,000 years prior to the films significant events occurred - this in no way means that the Republic didn't exist prior.

    Besides this The Clone Wars references the distinction between the Republic founded 1,000 years ago and the Republic founded 25,000 years ago. That is part of George Lucas' primary canon.

    You are creating an inconsistency where none yet exists.

    Regarding the whole 'it couldn't survive 25,000 years'; we can assume that, prior to 1,000 BBY, the Republic was more like a union of planets relatively centralized. A decentralized galactic government could exist for a very long time (even a centralized one hypothetically could).
     
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