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PT "Sith Lords are our specialty." Wait, what?!

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by BigAl6ft6, Jan 1, 2013.

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"Sith Lords are our specialty."

  1. He was trying to put on a brave face for Palpy / psyche out Dooku

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  2. Damn straight Sith Lords are their speciality!

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  1. DRush76

    DRush76 Jedi Master star 4

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    The comment was just a moment of Obi-Wan allowing his arrogance to get the best of him. I'm not saying this out of hatred for his character or anything like that. Because . . . honestly? Nearly all of the major characters in the PT (and the OT) have been guilty of arrogance.
     
  2. fett 4

    fett 4 Force Ghost star 5

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    Could've would've should have. Fact is if he was to stupid to realise that jumping right into Obi-wans lightsaber rather than a bit further down the hill was not a good idea, he is not a good fighter.

    Anakin/Vader also gets beaten by his son in RTJ who in the words of Lucas is just a half trained boy and it's uncertain if he could have beat Obi-wan in ANH if Obi-wan hadn't put up his sword.

    He duels in 5 films and loses in 3, which include old men and his half trained son that's not a good record
     
  3. DRush76

    DRush76 Jedi Master star 4

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    Again, someone is confusing lack of emotional control with lack of intelligence on Anakin's part. Why, I don't know. And if Anakin was such a bad fighter, could you explain why he was able to defeat Dooku in the end and not Obi-Wan?
     
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  4. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Force Ghost star 7

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    Well, I suppose the idea would be that lack of emotional control can lead to unwise ( "dumb" ) decisions. But there is arguably a rationale behind Anakin's actions, flawed though it may be. It's almost like trying to psych out reality, so to speak; to convince oneself that one's opponent will react in a certain way. In a different context I've fallen into the same kind of trap myself, and I don't consider myself especially dumb. If we assume for the sake of argument that there is some relevance to the alternate ending of the ROTS game, it seems that Anakin's intention was to land right behind Obi-Wan in a position to deliver a killing blow. The novel describes him leaping "at Obi-Wan's back". Landing "a bit further down the hill" essentially just resets the fight to stage one. Anakin doesn't want that. He's getting impatient and wants to end things.
     
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  5. fett 4

    fett 4 Force Ghost star 5

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    Dooku was an old man and everyone has an off day, and the book says that Dooku was going to allow himself to get captured anyway, he just didn't know Palpatine was betraying him.
     
  6. Reveen

    Reveen Jedi Knight star 3

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    And some people are like Obi-Wan and have off lifetimes.
     
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  7. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost star 6

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    Totally. "You underestimate my power", "Don't try it", is basically a mirror of "Your overconfidence is your weakness." and "You are unwise to lower your defenses!" (Notice how at that point Vader tosses the lightsaber at Luke. Probably musta thought "I ain't tryin that move again!" Of course, bad habbits die hard, he did jump straight at Luke on Bespin.)
     
  8. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Force Ghost star 7

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    It's described differently in Labyrinth of Evil:

    "You will duel them," Sidious had said. "Kill Kenobi. His only purpose is to die and, in so doing, ignite young Skywalker to tap the depths of his fear and rage. Should you defeat Skywalker easily, then we will know that he is not prepared to serve us. Perhaps he never will be prepared. Should he by some fluke best you, however, I will control the outcome to spare you any unnecessary embarrassment, and we will have gained a powerful ally. But above all you must make the contest appear real, Lord Tyranus." "I will treat it as if it were my crowning achievement," Dooku had promised.
     
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  9. OnesionRa

    OnesionRa Jedi Youngling

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    HAHAHAHA!!!! Well honestly, no other Jedi at that time could say that. Self-Esteem? Yup, but he still had more experience with them then any other Jedi. Hell he fought 3-4 of them in his life, I THINK he holds the record still unless Luke pulled some stuff I dont know about.
     
  10. Valairy Scot

    Valairy Scot Backpacking One Pack a Day Mod of New Films star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    You've got a pretty low (and somewhat funny) view of Obi-Wan: I don't think he ever bragged about or wanted to be known for killing a Sith. However, on the Invisible Hand, it was brought up as a verbal tactic.
     
  11. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Force Ghost star 8

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    What Obi-Wan meant to say was that Siff Soufflé was their specialty because he and Anakin are excellent cooks, but he got all nervous and tongue-tied and flubbed what he was saying.
     
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  12. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Force Ghost star 7

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    Or at least it used to be... [face_laugh]
     
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  13. Valairy Scot

    Valairy Scot Backpacking One Pack a Day Mod of New Films star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Normally I'd say cutting a person in half is a decisive, not ambiguous victory.

    I'd have far preferred to find out Zabraks had nothing of importance below their waists (stomach, intestines, etc.) rather than "using hate" as a means to survive such a bisection.
     
  14. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Force Ghost star 7

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    I'm still not sure "hate" was all there was to it...
     
  15. Ambervikings91

    Ambervikings91 Jedi Knight star 3

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    he was just being funny
     
  16. Valairy Scot

    Valairy Scot Backpacking One Pack a Day Mod of New Films star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I was being funny, too.
     
  17. Cryogenic

    Cryogenic Force Ghost star 5

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    Sith Lords were their speciality.

    Before the Jedi Order met its swift end, they offered Sith Lords on Monday through Friday, and barbecued jumbo shrimp on weekends.
     
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  18. SoloBrothers

    SoloBrothers Jedi Knight star 2

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    It's actually only 13 years after Maul's first death
     
  19. Obi-John Kenobi

    Obi-John Kenobi Jedi Master star 3

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    I think Obi-Wan was just being a bit "reckless" with that comment.
    I find it ironic that Obi-Wan is shown to be more "Reckless" as he got older. He seemed the perfect apprentice in TPM, The level headed Master in AOTC.(Though there was his diving out the window after Zam's droid...)

    But in ROTS, he seems reckless all over the place. (Taking on Grievous alone, "How did this happen? We're smarter than this?" " Sith Lords are our specialty" Etc) I was always under the impression that when Ben told Yoda "So was I (reckless) if you remember." he was talking when he was about Luke's age and not in his late 30's at the close of the Clone Wars!
     
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  20. DARTHLINK

    DARTHLINK Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    He's just trying to keep Palpatine calm. Basically his way of saying, “Dude, chill. We've got this, OK?”
     
  21. TheAvengerButton

    TheAvengerButton Jedi Master star 4

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    Please do not spam the thread with "I hate this forum" without adding anything of substance. If you feel the thread and/or forum is without it, I suggest you avoid it altogether.
     
  22. HevyDevy

    HevyDevy Jedi Master star 4

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    Not that simple though. Obi-Wan defeated Maul and trained Anakin. He is speaking directly to the Sith that will "complete Anakin's training." Plus Obi-Wan's being pretty cocky considering what will transpire.
     
  23. DBPirate

    DBPirate Jedi Master star 4

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    We got this from RLM didn't we? Well, they're not completely useless against Sith Lords.

    Obi-Wan "killed" Maul in TPM and Anakin beat Dooku nearly to exhaustion in Crisis on Naboo. I guess I agree with Obi-John Kenobi on this though. He's just being cocky.
     
  24. Selkith2000

    Selkith2000 Jedi Youngling

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    Seriously? This is the most stupidest question/statement I've heard from the PT. How can you not understand what Obi-Wan was saying? He and Anakin are our main heroes so we've seen them have the most experience against Sith Lords or Dark Side users e.g. Ventress, Savage and Maul. And in the 3 years since AOTC do you think Obi-Wan and Anakin wouldn't perfect their lightsaber techniques after their duel with Dooku or encounter another Sith before ROTS? That's what the Clone Wars was for, so Obi-Wan wasn't being arrogant just stating to Palpatine (or the audience) that "Sith Lords" are their area of expertise. If the original poster of this thread did some research and watched or read the comics, books and tv shows or even knew what the word "speciality" means than we wouldn't have these idiotic comments. This is just another moron trying to bash the prequels or George Lucas.
     
  25. Drewdude91

    Drewdude91 Jedi Knight star 3

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    This is the main thing that I don't like about the EU. Granted, it's no longer canon, but seriously, you've fought Dooku TONS of times and yet you've never beaten him?